to think Jeremy Corbyn should be expelled from the Labour Party?

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The EHRC has found that the Labour Party was did not do enough to address anti-semitism to the extent that it breached the equality act, and could even be said to have accepted it. The leadership office is implicated in 23 occasions.

AIBU to think this is unacceptable and his place in the Labour Party is no longer tenable?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54730425

@tttigress

I recon there will be s BAME Tory prime minister before there is a female Labour prime minister. Anyone want to bet me?

I think Rishi will be the next PM to be honest.

@tttigress

I recon there will be s BAME Tory prime minister before there is a female Labour prime minister. Anyone want to bet me?

I think that would not be at all surprising.

There is something about the way the LP thinks about these things that seems to work against them. It's like the all-women shortlists. They seem to have been somewhat effective at getting women more into politics, which was the goal. But they don't seem to bring more women with strong leadership qualities into running for the leadership - the examples at the last leadership race all had a university politics quality to them.

Corbyn has been suspended from the Labour party.

@bellinisurge

Great news! Let's hope he and his acolytes who still occasionally slither around here are dumped out.

Good

A BAME PM? There might even be a female Tory PM before a Labour one. Oh.

Corbyn's been suspended I've just heard on the news.

Labour should clean house and then hold the Tories to account for anything. Not play the blame tennis that usually accompanies such things.

Also, if Keir Starmar can show that he's dealt with this, then his party will be in a stronger position to attack Boris Johnson for his Islamophobia.

Starmer was forced to undertake unconscious bias training relating to his own racial bias so he hardly in a position to address these issues.

He’s so arrogant and wilfully blind

’One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media’

JC Facebook 3 hours ago

’I’ve made absolutely clear those who deny there has been an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party are wrong.’

JC Twitter 15 minutes ago

So there is an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party = > 1 but dramatically < reported. And that isn’t denial. Because.

I think Rishi will be the next PM to be honest.

I agree.

No, Starmer volunteered to take unconscious bias training.

Surely an opportunity for Whataboutery Bingo with some of the Corbynistas' responses

@noblegiraffe

Don't Labour realise, that they actually need to be an effective opposition?

Kicking out Corbyn is a promising first step towards this. Getting rid of his vile hangers on might also encourage some voters back.

I agree but there are elections coming up to the NEC, these people will still have a vote in that so let’s wait to see the outcome there. They may use it to fight back.

@BronwenFrideswide

I think Rishi will be the next PM to be honest.

I agree.

This.

I also think it's entirely likely that there will be a BAME female Tory PM before a female PM of any ethnic background from Labour. I would be completely unsurprised if the Tories also gave the UK its first openly gay PM. No, actually I expect that too.

@Winterterrace

No, Starmer volunteered to take unconscious bias training.

Which has zero basis in science and is just throwing away money to quacks.

Even the creators of the implicit bias tests, which get a lot of positive headlines by progressives, are clear that they can't be used on individuals, and there is a lot of controversy over whether they are even valid tools at a group level. There keeps being more and more reason to think they are at about the level of phrenology.

If people think that kind of crap has anything to do with racism they are fooling themselves. I have n trouble believing many in the LP really think it's valid, but that's the issue, they have no discernment.

There can both be a problem with anti-Semitism and the issue be weaponised for political purposes.

Yes. And you deal with the problem of antisemitism by ..... saying it's all Fake Nooz.

Several people on my Labour Party group have decided to quit.

@yelyah22

There can both be a problem with anti-Semitism and the issue be weaponised for political purposes.

It makes it much more effective, really.

RigaBalsam - tell them to shut the door on their way out.

@bellinisurge

RigaBalsam - tell them to shut the door on their way out.

Haha will do they said it's a socialist witch hunt.

Absolutely he should be. there is no coming back from his response or their shouldn’t be.

Starmer was forced to undertake unconscious bias training relating to his own racial bias so he hardly in a position to address these issues

We receive unconscious bias training why because it’s something that is present in us all and we all need to be aware of (nhs mental health)

The issue was not just that Labour under Corbenic failed to tackle the problem sufficiently- though that in itself is a huge failure- the really damming part of the report is evidence that there was political interference in which complaints investigated or dismissed, as well as interference in the investigatory process and the outcome. That interference came from within the leadership of the party, and on occasions, from corbyn’s office itself. Are we seriously to believe he did not know this was happening? Whether he did nothing for political reasons, because he didn’t care or because he is an anti-Semite doesn’t really matter. If you are as anti-racist (almost Saint like according to some of his followers) as claimed, he should care and should not let political expediency affect his actions. At best he is an ineffective, cynical, lying hypocrite. At worst he is an antisemite.

The fact that after the report he made mealy mouthed excuses and offered faux-sympathy to Jewish labour members and the wider community just compounds the problem. I don’t think Starmer had much choice after corbyn’s statement but to suspend him and investigate.

Going on about it being ‘weaponised’ and a political attack suggested that complaints weren’t genuine, minimised abuse, discredited victims and actually stirred up more antisemitism which resulted in coordinated personal attacks on Jewish MPs who spoke out about this from Corbyn loyalists who saw this as Us vs Them. Anyone talking about antisemitism within the party was labelled as a Blairite or a red Tory. This whole thing went from a problem to a crisis because of total mismanagement and a bunker mentality.

No one can ‘weaponise’ a problem that’s being dealt with effectively. Even when Labour eventually adopted the IHRA definition of antisemitism Corbyn tried to tack on an accompanying statement that blurred the boundaries of the definition (the NEC wouldn’t accept the statement.) The whole attitude of Corbyn was a) it’s all a plot against me by political opponents (with many helpful Corbynists calling it an Israeli backed plot) b) there’s no tolerance for antisemitism because I don’t regard these things as anti Semitic but rather anti Zionist which is fine.

We may be expecting too much from someone who nose evades him.

Wasn't a big fan of Corbyn, but it is obvious that he's "guilty" of "anti-semitism" because he stood up for free Palestine.