To ask what on Earth wales are doing?

[Whenismumhome]

I don’t live in Wales but I’ve heard that they’re having a “firebreak” and shops cannot sell non essential items.

AIBU to think that that is just a step too far and completely over the top? Ok fair enough, tell people to stay at home but surely if someone needs to go shopping for essentials they can buy non essentials whilst they’re in a specific shop.

The proof will be in the infection rates won't it? My only regret about this lockdown is that it didn't happen a week sooner.
As for the poster saying they don't work they absolutely DO work as far as infection rates go. Unfortunately the rates rise when we mix again. They also screw the economy. Then again so does covid...
Its already been said there will likely be another one in January so we have plenty of notice to stock up on tin openers, kettles and duvets. Y'know just in case we happen to need one.

Go for it... And don't look to the rest of the UK to bail you out financially

Best laugh I've had all day. Do you honestly think an independent Wales would actually give water to England at the current rates?

There are sizable areas of England that need the water supplied by Wales (at a controversial cost! Cofiwch Dryweryn). Wales would be able to name their price!

@cardibach

Umm...SAGE recommended a short lockdown

Really? From this link www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54528983

"What scientists recommended: They did not go as far as recommending a full lockdown on the scale of the one in the spring. This was also an outcome Prime Minister Boris Johnson has been extremely keen to avoid.

Their evidence said: The effect of a full lockdown, including closing non-essential businesses and banning contact between households, was clear: it would have had a big impact on coronavirus cases and deaths. But it would also have had a large knock-on impact - hurting people in other ways, such as their ability to work and socialise."

Drakeford went ahead anyway at a heavy cost to me personally and many others. This one is even harsher than the one we had in the spring.

What you’ve posted there backs me up that they do recommend them and think they work. They just caveat that a long one could have lots of other costs to weigh up. I live alone. I get it can have a personal cost. So can getting Covid/your friend or family member getting covid/people not shopping or going to cafes etc because they are scared of the high numbers. A short lockdown has many if the benefits and avoids many of the problems.
The papers were full of SAGE telling Johnson to have a short circuit breaker and criticising him for refusing. What SAGE definitely say is that Tier 3 In England isn’t enough and won’t work.

@Elphame I’ve followed your link. Talk about selective quoting. This is what it says about a circuit breaker, or short lockdown rather than a long, open ended one, which is what your quotation refers to.
Circuit Breaker
What they recommended: Sage said government should consider a short lockdown of two or three weeks, immediately, to bring down the number of cases.
Their evidence said: There were solid grounds to suggest this would have had "similar levels of effectiveness" to that of the national spring lockdown, in turning the tide of the pandemic. But its shorter period would have limited the overall effects - there would almost certainly have been fewer deaths but the line on the graph would look less dramatic. You would also have had to wait until after the restrictions had been lifted to see any benefit, since it takes time for the infections that would have been prevented to translate to lower hospital admissions and deaths.

So you are actually seriously misrepresenting them in your post. Not cool.

The idea to be fair to other shops is utter bullshit.

Jeff Bezos must be rubbing his hands in glee. Soon it will be the only place we can shop

Here’s the link for the firebreak evidence, it’s all there for anyone questioning why WG have taken this step

@missmouse101

I'm in Wales, no one where I live is having a problem with it. We can manage 2 weeks without buying a toaster.

Me too. I think people from other countries are more worked up about it!

@Crunchymum

The idea to be fair to other shops is utter bullshit.

Jeff Bezos must be rubbing his hands in glee. Soon it will be the only place we can shop

For goodness sake! It’s 2 weeks! Just fucking wait for your purchases. I refuse to believe that every single purchase anyone needs to make this autumn/winter needs to be made by the 9th of November. As I said to someone else, if you shop with Amazon instead of waiting to use a smaller retailer, it’s entirely on you. Can’t believe the ridiculous drama and over exaggeration.

Also, people would go in for non-essentials and take their children to size shoes etc. It wouldn’t just be people picking up a non-essential in with their weekly shop

Personally I can't really the difference between this and the people who spend 10 minutes choosing each food item they buy. And then spend half an hour having a chat with the checkout operator when they pay.

And then you have the family outings which have been the subject of much debate on MN, too.

Whether you buy a pair of shoes while doing your food shop is irrelevant, really.

Not sure why anyone not living in Wales are getting so annoyed about this and signing petitions against a government policy that has nothing to do with them..

I do live in Wales. I support the current efforts by my government to try to bring down the infection rate. I can mange to last for another 11 days without buying non essentials. Despite the predictions of disaster on mn my kettle and tin opener have held up during this time.

For those people not living in Wales - hopefully you will see that it is indeed possible to cope with buying scented candles and the like for a short period time as it is looking increasingly likely that a circuit break will be needed in other parts of the UK sooner or later. It would be nice if the small but very vocal anti circuit break minority in Wales could calm down and show other parts of the UK how to deal with this minor inconvenience with dignity.

*For goodness sake! It’s 2 weeks! Just fucking wait for your purchases. I refuse to believe that every single purchase anyone needs to make this autumn/winter needs to be made by the 9th of November. As I said to someone else, if you shop with Amazon instead of waiting to use a smaller retailer, it’s entirely on you. Can’t believe the ridiculous drama and over exaggeration(

And I can't believe your ridiculous swearing. Can you not express your point in a less offensive way?

I very much doubt every single "non-essential" purchase needs to be made by 9th November either. But I also very much doubt that NONE of them is needed before then.

I am not expecting this to be an end, but a step on the way. I fully expect it to be repeated, changed etc. It's not about me and my wants or needs.

It's been ridiculously managed but I thinks it's making people stay in, where I live the roads and shops are so quiet, over the weekend I couldn't believe how quiet it was

Not sure why anyone not living in Wales are getting so annoyed about this and signing petitions against a government policy that has nothing to do with them

I think you'll find you have to be resident in Wales to sign the petition - I've not checked that, but you have to be resident in the UK to sign the ones for the Westminister parliament.

Many people in Wales prefer the way things are being handled here to what is happening in England but I think the responses to the OP are uneccessarily rude. It's clear she didn't intentionally write Wales with a lower case w and she genuinely thought it must be shit to be locked down again. Some people in Wales are over touchy about anyone from outside Wales commenting. I would like to see Wales have more control over our own affairs but I find this chippy attitude very off putting. Does 'na ddim rhaid bod yn anghwrtais.

@cologne4711

*For goodness sake! It’s 2 weeks! Just fucking wait for your purchases. I refuse to believe that every single purchase anyone needs to make this autumn/winter needs to be made by the 9th of November. As I said to someone else, if you shop with Amazon instead of waiting to use a smaller retailer, it’s entirely on you. Can’t believe the ridiculous drama and over exaggeration(

And I can't believe your ridiculous swearing. Can you not express your point in a less offensive way?

I very much doubt every single "non-essential" purchase needs to be made by 9th November either. But I also very much doubt that NONE of them is needed before then.

I could express it in a way you would find less offensive, of course. I just don’t want to. I find your dramatic position on a short circuit break to help your country fight a virus offensive, as it happens. In fact I find it fucking offensive, and I don’t think the swearing is anywhere near as ‘ridiculous’ as your position on this.

@IndiaMay

There is no chaos in England thanks. No need to be patronising.. .

Apparently so according to the media......oh wait.......

Tbh I'd much rather be in lockdown in Wales. Everyone knows the rules, where the tier system is awful and in all probably, there'll be another national lockdown there soon.

Look at it this way, in Wales we can't buy non-essentials for 2 weeks due to the Welsh government following scientific advice for a firebreak.

In Northern Ireland they're shortly not going to be able to buy any seeds, plants or seed potatoes from other parts of Britain for the forseeable due to the UK government's Brexit decisions.

@cardibach the greater good made me think of hot fuzz. You know when the crazy villagers want to keep the town under control for the greater good.
Gave me a giggle.

@cologne4711 Thousands who signed the petition don't live in Wales.

@cologne4711

Not sure why anyone not living in Wales are getting so annoyed about this and signing petitions against a government policy that has nothing to do with them

I think you'll find you have to be resident in Wales to sign the petition - I've not checked that, but you have to be resident in the UK to sign the ones for the Westminister parliament.

Not correct - anyone from any of the UK countries can sign it.

@cardibach

People don't / won't wait. We live in a society fuelled by immediacy and availability. People will turn to retailers who can give them what they need, as soon as they think they need it.

Who wins then?

I'm in South Wales and glad that our government cares enough about us (and the capacity of our hospitals & the health/resilience of our NHS staff) to follow SAGE advice and bring in a short firebreak to halt the exponential spread of COVID.

I'll happily comply with further lock downs as deemed necessary to keep cases down until a vaccine becomes available.

On the one hand I won't be able to fondle the precious things in the centre aisles at Lidl for 13 days, on the other fewer people will be suffocating as they fight to breathe, fewer people will have to mourn, and fewer NHS staff will be crying in despair as they head in to start their shifts.

This thread has inspired me to join Yes Wales.

I want to qualify my remaks about people being over touchy about people outside Wales expressing an opinion by saying that anyone residing outside Wales has no business signing petitions about things which only affect those of us living in Wales.