To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

Trump is often delusional about his prospects. Since he pulled off a miracle in 2016, he and his supporters are convinced they can do it again.

He can read the polls like anyone else. He knows he's very likely to lose and is putting the best possible face on it.

I don't think he really wanted to be president in the first place. I think he got into the race to pump up his brand and the viewership numbers for his reality TV show.

I don't think he really wanted to be president in the first place. I think he got into the race to pump up his brand and the viewership numbers for his reality TV show.
He wanted to win the election
he just did not want the 4 years of hard work afterwards

a bit like a certain Johnson on this side of the pond

@MerchantOfVenom

* At this point in the race, Biden’s polling numbers are well ABOVE Hillary Clinton’s at this point in the 2016 election.

They are also above Obama's in 2008:

The @FiveThirtyEight national polling average with 6 days until Election day:

2020: Biden+8.5
2016: Clinton+4.8
2012: Romney+0.2
2008: Obama+7.0
2004: Bush+2.2
2000: Bush+3.4
1996: Clinton+14.8
1992: Clinton+9.4
1988: Bush+11.8
1984: Reagan+17.8
1980: Reagan+1.3
1976: Carter+2.0
mobile.twitter.com/baseballot/status/1321482170356142082

(Obama ended up winning 52.9%/45.7% over John McCain that year in the popular vote and 365/173 in the electoral college.)

The elephant in the room - the thing no-one’s talking about - is why he’s pursuing something he seemingly hates, quite SO hard...

The elephant in the room - the thing no-one’s talking about - is why he’s pursuing something he seemingly hates, quite SO hard...
Because he likes to win.
because standing presidents always try for a second term
only losers do not fight
for him its aLL ABOUT
closing the deal and winning
it always has been

he's the same in every part of his life
he wins wives
he wins business deals
he wins against siblings
its all about the idea of winning

not the reality

he is a very simple man (in every sense of the word)

It was a rhetorical question, and that list doesn’t touch on the half of it.

Merchant
I know people who have done business with Trump.
When he gets put in the cell Epstein was in, a LOT of people will celebrate

In fact all these Conservative parties need to change or die out because demographics are against them. Theres something to be said for dialectic materialism.

Do not you wish. LOL

When he gets put in the cell Epstein was in, a LOT of people will celebrate

🤞

The irony is that Trump whines like a giant, bloviated baby that people treat him soooo unfairly - when his ‘connections’ and debts owed are of far more concern for American democracy and national security than Hillary’s emails ever were.

To all of you in America, how do you honestly feel about both candidates, good and bad.

I think Trump is appalling in every way and am embarrassed that he became president due to an unrepresentative and anachronistic voting system.

Joe Biden is an unexciting but competent politician who is a safe choice when trying to get undecided voters to swing away from Trump. I didn't vote for him in the primaries but I think actually he was the best choice for defeating Trump. I think other candidates might have been better presidents but might not have had such a good chance of beating Trump.

I think he'll do a good job in the White House especially if he has both House and Senate under Democratic control.

I think Kamala Harris is a competent, determined and exciting VP candidate and look forward to her being part of the White House team. I very much hope this leads to her running for President in future.

I think Mike Pence is the worst sort of Christian who allows his beliefs to get in the way of doing what is right, yet somehow to allow him to do what is wrong. He's also in a large way to blame for the deaths of huge numbers of Americans from Covid.

I think that Trump is a narcissistic jackass who can't think more than 24 hours into the future and who only looks at how what he says and does will affect him. He has a sociopathic indifference to other people.

I like Biden generally but worry about his age. And I agree with lobster that he was the best possible choice to run against Trump and win.

The worst thing that can be said about Joe is he’s too old. And he is.

But Trump trying to paint him as senile backfired at the debates, and only the hardcore non-thinking base could possibly believe he’s a Marxist/communist/socialist (once again - people without even a first clue of what these terms even mean, they just shout them as insults because they’ve been told to).

To most people, Joe Biden is a competent, non-threatening, empathetic, genial Irish American, with a plan (with a highly competent, doesn’t-give-a-shit-about-Trump’s-insults woman behind him). What’s there to be scared of?

I have everything crossed that sanity prevails and Biden wins by a landslide, I'm sorry that all of you in the US have had to put up with that lunatic for so long.

@TeaLibrary I live here but don’t have a vote. My DH is a Democrat but no, neither option is exciting. I do really like Harris though. The problem is the ludicrous amounts they have to raise to run—for any elected position. You need to raise at least a million to run for Congress. This is why we keep turning out the same old, same old all the time and nothing changes.

@user1471565182

In fact all these Conservative parties need to change or die out because demographics are against them. Theres something to be said for dialectic materialism.

How do you figure that? There doesn't seem to be much evidence that they are losing voters overall.

Goosefoot- Look at the voting preferences of young people now. Despite the cliche, its a total myth that peoples politics change with age.

[quote IncorrigibleTitmouse]@TeaLibrary I live here but don’t have a vote. My DH is a Democrat but no, neither option is exciting. I do really like Harris though. The problem is the ludicrous amounts they have to raise to run—for any elected position. You need to raise at least a million to run for Congress. This is why we keep turning out the same old, same old all the time and nothing changes.[/quote]
Absolutely. I recognise that Biden isn't exactly as dynamic or exciting as a younger candidate but in comparison to the spectacularly awful Trump he seems a very safe pair of hands with the brilliant Kamala Harris as his VP. It does sound counterproductive that you need to raise so much money to get into a position for a run to Congress, effectively excluding the possibility of real political change.

Also going to church/belief in god is completely falling through the floor.

Remarkable the number of high profile Republicans who are endorsing Biden, when they could just stay silent.

The SS MAGAritaville is going down... 🚢 🐀 🐀 🐀

Selecting a president reminds me of when we used to rent out two rooms in our house to lodgers.

We tried renting to interesting people, and that was a total disaster.

After that we just looked for predictable, not-very-interesting lodgers, and made some lifelong friends who were great to live with.

Also going to church/belief in god is completely falling through the floor.

And if poor Jesus had a second coming in America today, he’d be denounced by ‘Christians’ as a BLM Antifa socialist dirty progressive liberal - they’d probably run at him with that typical contorted screaming MAGA face, thrusting AK47s in his chest. 🙄

Biden is losing the hispanic voters quickly. How he is imagining that is beyond me but je is losing them to a person who has built a wall and imprisoned them. Go figure

A lot of Hispanic Americans dislike socialism and weirdly and amazingly calling Biden a socialist seems to have persuaded some of them to vote Trump. It's strange as they're campaigning against Biden exactly like they would with Bernie. It's just laughable to think of Biden as a socialist. He doesn't even support free universal healthcare.

It's puzzling but it's important to remember they don't see themselves as one united group. I'm sure Trump and his supporters see no difference between those in that group. If he talks about Mexico and Mexicans negatively and you're not Mexican but Venezuelan he's not insulting you.

Cubans vote for Republicans in large numbers and they're not being imprisoned etc. They automatically get asylum and an easy road to citizenship so they're distanced from it.

I do not think the Hispanics are calling Biden a socialist. The Democrat party has changed and aligned much more to the left is what they feel. Take from me I have quite a lot of Latino friends who would not have voted Trump last time and are now. Many in Florida. There is a real concern Biden will step down to get Kamala in. We can pretend but even some Democrats openly discuss this. Once you have lived the nightmare of Cubans and Venezuelans in their countries there is not in hell they take the slightest chance.

And by the way building the wall at the borders was discussed by democrats before Trump even talking about it according to the dad of one of my friends in Florida.