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Childfree life

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uka888 · 22/10/2020 18:32

More women seem to be embracing the childfree life.
What’s your experiences? Plus points ? Negatives? Those of you 50/60+ are you pleased with your decision?
I think it’s good more options of spoken about so women can feel like it’s a choice.

OP posts:
AlfonsoTheTerrible · 04/04/2021 13:18

@Flowers24

Tbh I was shocked when I found out non parents with no intention of having kids come on here!
Biscuit
Meowchickameowmeow · 04/04/2021 13:21

[quote ED81]@LifeIsTheLongestThingWeDo.

I agree with your post. But regret is a man made construct.

Either way with being ‘childfree’ or deciding to have a baby there is a loss.
It is so darn difficult isn’t it.[/quote]
I really think you need to work on reframing things and stop looking at it as a loss.
I can't speak for everyone, but for me, there is no sense or feeling of loss at not having children. Maybe you're not ready to make the decision to be childfree?

Sarahtrue · 04/04/2021 13:26

"Tbh I was shocked when I found out non parents with no intention of having kids come on here!"

Why?

There are loads of forums on mumsnet, that are nothing to do with parenting at all.

Relationships, sex, money matters, property. There are a lot of things on here that are nothing to do with children

ED81 · 04/04/2021 13:30

I personally (genuinely) do think of it as a loss either way. Not just if I don’t have children. If I do too!
Loss of current life if I do have a child. And potential loss of might have been if I don’t.

Realise not everyone thinks like this. It’s all individual I suppose.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 04/04/2021 13:39

Overall it's definitely worse to regret having a child than to regret not, so that's what I tell myself.

I’d have thought the other way round. Admittedly I’m coming from the viewpoint of not wanting kids, but if I changed my mind too late I’d just have the regret to deal with. If I listened to some posters on this thread, decided to do it anyway and then hated being a parent, I’d have both the regret and the responsibility for the baby.

CounsellorTroi · 04/04/2021 13:54

@ED81

I personally (genuinely) do think of it as a loss either way. Not just if I don’t have children. If I do too! Loss of current life if I do have a child. And potential loss of might have been if I don’t.

Realise not everyone thinks like this. It’s all individual I suppose.

Whenever you make a choice you are closing off other choices. You can't choose everything. That is just life.
Flowers24 · 04/04/2021 13:54

Probably lots of people regret having a child but just won't admit it

CounsellorTroi · 04/04/2021 13:57

I really think you need to work on reframing things and stop looking at it as a loss.

This is what helped me come to terms with my infertility. We are conditioned to think of childlessness as a terrible misfortune and to do whatever it takes to avoid that fate. But I now realise that my personal happiness is not dependent on whether or not I have a child and it never really was.

ED81 · 04/04/2021 14:13

Thanks @CounsellorTroi and @Meowchickameowmeow

I’ve never really looked at it this way. Star

Seriously, I’m my own worst enemy sometimes. Haha. Just feeling a bit overwhelmed by it all today.

Best eat some more chocolate eh.

Cavagirl · 04/04/2021 14:17

@ED81
Everything you say really resonates.
I'm late 30s and very happy with DP who is also on the fence although veering towards wanting to be childfree, either way happy to go with what I decide (pros and cons to that position!)

I don't know what's going to push me into a decision or whether time will run out and that will decide things - which is probably not a good outcome, it's something I want to reach a conclusion on (even if I decide yes and then we can't).

Things I'm slowly realising:
I've enjoyed feeling like I'm keeping my options open by not deciding - almost like I can visualise either future without feeling regret at having decided not to travel the other path. However that's now not helpful because either way it's a decision. As you have said, you're going to miss out on something whichever way you turn. It's a completely irreversible choice and a big one because your life will look totally different in each case. I'm completely mystified as to how people "just know" they want children or "have always known" they never wanted any. I've never felt any degree of certain about this which is why I find it so hard to fall down on either side of the fence.
I like kids. I like hanging out with friends' children (most of them) and chatting to them. I get a warm fuzzy feeling watching DP with friends' kids and think he'd be a great dad. I think we'd be good parents. I often watch how friends deal with their kids and think in my head "I wouldn't do it like that" and in some instances I think I'd do it better - of course insert hollow laugh here - but either way, I sometimes think that.
Being alone when old really worries me. My family is very small and I'm an only child. DP's family is large but of course I'm not blood. I can imagine a childfree future in old age where he's passed on and I've got no one. And I don't mean sometime to wipe my bum, it's more the feeling of still having family and a connection with someone still living, you are something still to someone - a mum, or a gran. The idea of being without real family and alone in old age frightens me. Frankly old age frightens me anyway though...
On the flip side - we are very happy. We have all the benefits and freedoms of childfree life. I don't think either of us would manage well with a child with additional needs. And I fear the strains on our relationship that a child would bring.

If I accidentally fell pregnant tomorrow I think I'd be scared but deep down really happy.

But actively making the decision to give up the life I know and love for the unknown is different.

So - I really don't know.

I follow the reddit fencesitters thread and someone on there posted recently - it feels like the choice is screw up the next 20 years of your life or screw up the last 20 years. While I don't fully agree with that I do understand the sentiment that it's a trade off and half the trade is bag of complete unknowns so how on earth are you supposed to evaluate which is best??

Let me know, if anyone figures it out.

Meowchickameowmeow · 04/04/2021 14:17

Best eat some more chocolate eh.

Definitely Grin

Cavagirl · 04/04/2021 14:18

Wow that was long, sorry!

ED81 · 04/04/2021 14:30

[quote Cavagirl]@ED81
Everything you say really resonates.
I'm late 30s and very happy with DP who is also on the fence although veering towards wanting to be childfree, either way happy to go with what I decide (pros and cons to that position!)

I don't know what's going to push me into a decision or whether time will run out and that will decide things - which is probably not a good outcome, it's something I want to reach a conclusion on (even if I decide yes and then we can't).

Things I'm slowly realising:
I've enjoyed feeling like I'm keeping my options open by not deciding - almost like I can visualise either future without feeling regret at having decided not to travel the other path. However that's now not helpful because either way it's a decision. As you have said, you're going to miss out on something whichever way you turn. It's a completely irreversible choice and a big one because your life will look totally different in each case. I'm completely mystified as to how people "just know" they want children or "have always known" they never wanted any. I've never felt any degree of certain about this which is why I find it so hard to fall down on either side of the fence.
I like kids. I like hanging out with friends' children (most of them) and chatting to them. I get a warm fuzzy feeling watching DP with friends' kids and think he'd be a great dad. I think we'd be good parents. I often watch how friends deal with their kids and think in my head "I wouldn't do it like that" and in some instances I think I'd do it better - of course insert hollow laugh here - but either way, I sometimes think that.
Being alone when old really worries me. My family is very small and I'm an only child. DP's family is large but of course I'm not blood. I can imagine a childfree future in old age where he's passed on and I've got no one. And I don't mean sometime to wipe my bum, it's more the feeling of still having family and a connection with someone still living, you are something still to someone - a mum, or a gran. The idea of being without real family and alone in old age frightens me. Frankly old age frightens me anyway though...
On the flip side - we are very happy. We have all the benefits and freedoms of childfree life. I don't think either of us would manage well with a child with additional needs. And I fear the strains on our relationship that a child would bring.

If I accidentally fell pregnant tomorrow I think I'd be scared but deep down really happy.

But actively making the decision to give up the life I know and love for the unknown is different.

So - I really don't know.

I follow the reddit fencesitters thread and someone on there posted recently - it feels like the choice is screw up the next 20 years of your life or screw up the last 20 years. While I don't fully agree with that I do understand the sentiment that it's a trade off and half the trade is bag of complete unknowns so how on earth are you supposed to evaluate which is best??

Let me know, if anyone figures it out.[/quote]
@Cavagirl. Sounds like we are in the exactly same boat! What a palaver it all is eh.

What is the answer?! Apparently we kinda should know. Confused

ED81 · 04/04/2021 14:36

I’m kinda exhausted by it.

And today really have struggled with it. Not really sure why. Im not overly emotional about it usually. Maybe I’ve read to many posts over the last 24 hours! Lol.Easter Shock

Cavagirl · 04/04/2021 14:46

I know exactly what you mean
I am so bored thinking about it
I forgot to add that to my rant above. I have wasted and continue to waste so much headspace agonising over it.
Whichever way things turn out I'm pretty sure I'll be 50 looking back on me in my 30s thinking - FML why didn't I just enjoy myself more?
I'm so so bored of my own brain going around in circles on it. I wish DP would be 100% either way tbh.
Most of my thoughts of "well if I found out I was pregnant now I'd be probably happy" (and the alternative) I think are 99% to do with just having the decision made for me.

ED81 · 04/04/2021 14:52

Lol @Cavagirl. It really is so very difficult. I also wish that my DH was 100% either way too. It’s wonderful he’s supportive either way - and like yours he is certainly leaning toward childfree but I’d rather a yes or no!

Mind you I don’t think I’ll come to a conclusion independently so why should he. Confused

BusyLizzie61 · 04/04/2021 15:07

@uka888

It is refreshing to hear from so many childfree women who are happy with their decision!
Who are all posting on MUMSnet. The irony.
Veterinari · 04/04/2021 15:11

@ED81 and @Cavagirl Thanks

Good luck whatever you decide.

Not sure if it helps or not, but when I was in my 20s I thought I'd definitely have kids, in my 30s I became less sure and saw friends around me absolutely biologically driven to have DC, I never felt like that. Them having children (and me spending time with them) also raised more questions - time, expense, relationship strain, chronic sleep deprivation, lack of social life/hobbies/personal time, career stagnation, and the absolute tedium and repetitiveness of small children.

I think the transition to having children probably depends in part on your current lifestyle. There's no way my current lifestyle would accommodate children. So for me it would be a massive and unwelcome change. I suspect whether children drastically change your life or not depends in part on what your 'normal' is as several parents on this thread have said that their lifestyle didn't change that much. I suspect we have drastically different lifestyles to begin with and so the 'impact' of children is different.

Veterinari · 04/04/2021 15:14

Careful @BusyLizzie61 a certain someone will be along any minute to criticise us for not making the same choices she did and to tediously repeat the points she's already made several times as to why she thinks we shouldn't be allowed

Reminds me a bit of my nephews going through the 'Why? Why? Why?' Stage as toddlers. Fortunately they outgrew it.

Cavagirl · 04/04/2021 15:22

Research purposes is one of the main reasons I'm on MN! Grin

Cavagirl · 04/04/2021 15:23

@Veterinari thank you, that is helpful.

Veterinari · 04/04/2021 15:23

@Handsoffstrikesagain

Oh minnie I think you’re taking this all a bit seriously! I made a joke about one of my DC drawing on the sofa! I think I’ve just been very realistic. Having children is the best thing I’ve ever done, but the fact is, as with anything, sometimes there are hard times (hard is probably the wrong word but you know - sick bugs, tantrums etc). I think it’s silly to pretend that all children are wonderful all of the time and that everyone enjoys parenting all of the time.
Honestly @Handsoffstrikesagain it's best to ignore.

If someone is so incensed by people that have different lifestyles/opinions they're either spectacularly lacking in imagination or unpleasantly judgemental. Your posts were perfectly reasonable and it's clear you love your DC and enjoy being a parent. Sadly there are a couple of parents on this thread who cannot comprehend anything but 100% 24/7 enthusiasm for all aspects of child rearing. Says more about them than us

MinnieMous3 · 04/04/2021 16:02

@Flowers24

Probably lots of people regret having a child but just won't admit it
And vice versa. Lots of people regret their life choices.
MinnieMous3 · 04/04/2021 16:07

I think some posters here have an agenda

Along with ‘you’re embarrassing yourself’ I think I can call Mumsnet stock response bingo??

Oh wait I haven’t had the ‘over invested’ line yet Grin

MinnieMous3 · 04/04/2021 16:09

if someone is so incensed by people that have different lifestyles/opinions they're either spectacularly lacking in imagination or unpleasantly judgemental. Your posts were perfectly reasonable and it's clear you love your DC and enjoy being a parent. Sadly there are a couple of parents on this thread who cannot comprehend anything but 100% 24/7 enthusiasm for all aspects of child rearing. Says more about them than us

Incensed Grin

Yet another Munsnetty reply, ‘you seem very angry’ blah blah.

What exactly have I said that implies 100% enthusiasm for all aspects of child rearing? Can you even say?

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