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Childfree life

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uka888 · 22/10/2020 18:32

More women seem to be embracing the childfree life.
What’s your experiences? Plus points ? Negatives? Those of you 50/60+ are you pleased with your decision?
I think it’s good more options of spoken about so women can feel like it’s a choice.

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Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:02

@FunnysInLaJardin

Oh hang on, there are people here who are step parents, surely that is not allowed?
I guess that depends on whether your status as a parent gives you the right to police this thread and tell folk without children what they should think/feel/do

Seems to be a recurring theme

FunnysInLaJardin · 03/04/2021 23:02

and I also spy some other actual parents, of actual children commenting on a childfree thread Shock

19lottie82 · 03/04/2021 23:05

To satisfy your personal curiosity about how people deal with the pain of being childless.

No need to be so dramatic. This is a discussion forum and this is a thread about having it not having children. It wasn’t a personal attack, it’s a fair question (not a suggestion).

Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:05

@FunnysInLaJardin

and I also spy some other actual parents, of actual children commenting on a childfree thread Shock
Yep. Constructive experiences welcome. Judgemental nitpicking and the extolling the virtues of your 'choice' with no consideration of the feelings of others, not so much
Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:06

@19lottie82

To satisfy your personal curiosity about how people deal with the pain of being childless.

No need to be so dramatic. This is a discussion forum and this is a thread about having it not having children. It wasn’t a personal attack, it’s a fair question (not a suggestion).

Which bit was dramatic? It's done and dusted. Why dredge it up?
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FunnysInLaJardin · 03/04/2021 23:10

shouldn't! Grin

Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:11

@Handsoffstrikesagain

vet I’m really sorry if I missed it but do you have children? X
Yes you missed it
Rustygriswold · 03/04/2021 23:13

@DrDetriment I am a step mum though so I have youngsters in my life but luckily they are not my responsibility and I can pick and choose what I do with them

Probably fortunate you are not a mother then with that attitude.

littlepieces · 03/04/2021 23:15

I would love to hear more from older women who are childfree by choice. I know a couple of women in their early 60s without kids and they have great lives. Both retired early and are heavily involved in great voluntary/community projects. Both have loads of friends, lovely homes and pre pandemic they were always travelling. I'm mid 30s and don't want kids. Financially it would be a struggle, and MH issues run in my family, I'm not passing that nonsense on. Seeing some of my friends totally burnt out by full time work plus childcare has been sobering. I do have nieces and nephews and enjoy their company.

On the issue of being alone when you're old, what a truly awful reason to have kids. I wouldn't expect my kids to take any responsibility for my happiness. The reality is that a lot of people see their elderly parents as a massive hassle, and who's to say your kids will still be around by then anyway? So many people settle miles away, countries away even, from where they grew up.

I plan to save and move to a nice retirement complex and make friends Grin. I think of it like uni halls but for older people... Going on family history, I will no doubt have lost my mind by the time I'm in my 80s so what difference will it make anyway?!

Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:23

[quote Rustygriswold]**@DrDetriment* I am a step mum though so I have youngsters in my life but luckily they are not my responsibility and I can pick and choose what I do with them*

Probably fortunate you are not a mother then with that attitude.[/quote]
Which is surely the point of the thread.

Why the sneery judgement? Is it just an excuse to have a pop at a step parent, Or do you think we should all procreate regardless of our ambivalence towards children?

Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:34

@littlepieces

I would love to hear more from older women who are childfree by choice. I know a couple of women in their early 60s without kids and they have great lives. Both retired early and are heavily involved in great voluntary/community projects. Both have loads of friends, lovely homes and pre pandemic they were always travelling. I'm mid 30s and don't want kids. Financially it would be a struggle, and MH issues run in my family, I'm not passing that nonsense on. Seeing some of my friends totally burnt out by full time work plus childcare has been sobering. I do have nieces and nephews and enjoy their company.

On the issue of being alone when you're old, what a truly awful reason to have kids. I wouldn't expect my kids to take any responsibility for my happiness. The reality is that a lot of people see their elderly parents as a massive hassle, and who's to say your kids will still be around by then anyway? So many people settle miles away, countries away even, from where they grew up.

I plan to save and move to a nice retirement complex and make friends Grin. I think of it like uni halls but for older people... Going on family history, I will no doubt have lost my mind by the time I'm in my 80s so what difference will it make anyway?!

Me too. I've often wondered about retiring to a community of strong independent women. There are a few projects that support that kind of living. Realistically though I'll probably be in my house in the country rambling around with assorted animals or in a city apartment that is convenient for socialising
Oscaree · 03/04/2021 23:37

What an interesting subject of conversation and one that I can see has benefits to both lifestyle choices.

Whilst my siblings and cousins were busy reproducing in their early 20s, I couldn't think of anything worse. My body and money was my own to do with as I pleased where-as they were worn down by the responsibility of young parenthood. Each one told me that if they knew how difficult it would have been, they would never have embarked on it. As for me, I knew how difficult it was because I was a nanny for 2 under 2 at a very young age, so I was more than happy to wait.

By the time I was 32yrs, I was TTC with my ex. It was 2yrs of pure hell, a rollercoaster of emotions every month where we would have hope because I was ovulating, which would be followed by anguish and grief that I never got pregnant. He left me soon after to get someone else pregnant and I was left alone and grief stricken. I sorted myself out, bought my own place and changed my career, but none of that felt enough for me and the overwhelming irrational desire to become a mother persisted.

During the next decade I had shitty, judgy attitudes off friends who had become parents. I was told maybe I wasn't cut out to be a mother and that's why nature had stopped the process. I was "kindly" offered babysitting roles and the honour of being godmother - none of which I wanted, but all forced upon me. I remember on one particular occasion when I said no to the offer of godmother (for the 8th child) when said mother physically pulled me out of the pew in front of everyone and up to the alter where the little darling was waiting to be baptised. Infuriating! As well as the pity parties, I've had awful comments from women who thought I'd chosen a child free existence, comments along the lines that I must be uncaring and hard faced to not want children.

During this decade of enforced childlessness, where I experienced the worst grief of my life, I also got to enjoy the freedom it brought. Spontaneous holidays, lie ins, nights out, and I know many of my friends with children were very envious. They frequently complained of sleeplessness, lack of money, freedom etc etc.

I met my partner 3 years ago and despite being early 40s we both knew we wanted children still. I don't know why, but despite gaining degrees, having different careers etc. I just knew that none of that fulfilled me as much as being a mum would - even with the lack of sleep and tedium I know it will bring.

I'm 5 months pregnant now - after spending a small mortgage and giving my life over to several rounds of ivf for the last 2 yrs - a truly awful existence.

In the last 12 months I've also fallen into a career I love and will miss when I start maternity leave. I know I'll love being a mum, but having spent so much of my life without children, I know myself well, am now in a stable financial position and will be able to enjoy the things I cherish without children present - like an uninterrupted lunch date with girl friends. I am in a very fortunate position.

My motive in being a mother isn't to be cared for in old age, nor is it so that I have something/one to love, but it is to share my life with another person and show them how amazing this world is. I hope when I'm old they're off fulfilling their dreams, travelling to amazing places or whatever they want to do, but most definitely, having the time of their lives without feeling guilty for one second that mum and dad are knocking on a bit and all alone at home.

Finally, for those women who chose not to be a mother because pregnancy damages your body, the reality is that whichever way you choose, there are likely to be consequences. Women who have never been pregnant are at much greater risk of female cancers than women who have, so please don't base your decision on becoming a parent on this one thing.

Veterinari · 03/04/2021 23:44

@Oscaree

What an interesting subject of conversation and one that I can see has benefits to both lifestyle choices.

Whilst my siblings and cousins were busy reproducing in their early 20s, I couldn't think of anything worse. My body and money was my own to do with as I pleased where-as they were worn down by the responsibility of young parenthood. Each one told me that if they knew how difficult it would have been, they would never have embarked on it. As for me, I knew how difficult it was because I was a nanny for 2 under 2 at a very young age, so I was more than happy to wait.

By the time I was 32yrs, I was TTC with my ex. It was 2yrs of pure hell, a rollercoaster of emotions every month where we would have hope because I was ovulating, which would be followed by anguish and grief that I never got pregnant. He left me soon after to get someone else pregnant and I was left alone and grief stricken. I sorted myself out, bought my own place and changed my career, but none of that felt enough for me and the overwhelming irrational desire to become a mother persisted.

During the next decade I had shitty, judgy attitudes off friends who had become parents. I was told maybe I wasn't cut out to be a mother and that's why nature had stopped the process. I was "kindly" offered babysitting roles and the honour of being godmother - none of which I wanted, but all forced upon me. I remember on one particular occasion when I said no to the offer of godmother (for the 8th child) when said mother physically pulled me out of the pew in front of everyone and up to the alter where the little darling was waiting to be baptised. Infuriating! As well as the pity parties, I've had awful comments from women who thought I'd chosen a child free existence, comments along the lines that I must be uncaring and hard faced to not want children.

During this decade of enforced childlessness, where I experienced the worst grief of my life, I also got to enjoy the freedom it brought. Spontaneous holidays, lie ins, nights out, and I know many of my friends with children were very envious. They frequently complained of sleeplessness, lack of money, freedom etc etc.

I met my partner 3 years ago and despite being early 40s we both knew we wanted children still. I don't know why, but despite gaining degrees, having different careers etc. I just knew that none of that fulfilled me as much as being a mum would - even with the lack of sleep and tedium I know it will bring.

I'm 5 months pregnant now - after spending a small mortgage and giving my life over to several rounds of ivf for the last 2 yrs - a truly awful existence.

In the last 12 months I've also fallen into a career I love and will miss when I start maternity leave. I know I'll love being a mum, but having spent so much of my life without children, I know myself well, am now in a stable financial position and will be able to enjoy the things I cherish without children present - like an uninterrupted lunch date with girl friends. I am in a very fortunate position.

My motive in being a mother isn't to be cared for in old age, nor is it so that I have something/one to love, but it is to share my life with another person and show them how amazing this world is. I hope when I'm old they're off fulfilling their dreams, travelling to amazing places or whatever they want to do, but most definitely, having the time of their lives without feeling guilty for one second that mum and dad are knocking on a bit and all alone at home.

Finally, for those women who chose not to be a mother because pregnancy damages your body, the reality is that whichever way you choose, there are likely to be consequences. Women who have never been pregnant are at much greater risk of female cancers than women who have, so please don't base your decision on becoming a parent on this one thing.

I was about to give you flowers and say thank you for such a balanced and heartfelt post.

Then I read to the end
So maybe I'll go get impregnated to avoid cancer instead Confused

RampantIvy · 03/04/2021 23:46

[quote Sarahtrue]@Flowers24 many people get a grant for Uni, so parents are not financially responsible. I worked all through Uni aswell as getting a grant, as did all of my friends. We were very independent at 18. When I left for uni at 18, I never lived at home again. I know many people who were the same. I guess you know alot of people who still live with their parents?[/quote]
No, they get a student loan, and often the maintenance loan doesn't even cover accommodation fees. The loan is based on your parents income. Students are finding it very difficult to get part time work just now, and if the parents can't or won't support them through university they can't go. Or they live at home and go to the local university, which isn't necessarily the best one for them.

Leobynature · 03/04/2021 23:52

I hate these types of threads. They have been done a million times before and always start drama. They are so goady and not helpful to anyone. This is a parenting site foremost, so it will always be controversial posting a thread about the pros of not having children here. Equally those childless (rather than child free) will also find it difficult to read how great motherhood is.
There is a theme here all camps appear to mainly like wine, nights out, travelling, restaurants, disposable income, hobbies and food. This is true for most of us whether we have children or not. Wouldn’t it not be more empowering as women if we spend more time focusing and discussing the key to happiness which is seldom hard to find. The truth is no ones life is perfect.

MinnieMous3 · 04/04/2021 00:02

@RaiseTheBeastie

I'm chuckling at the poster who said only having one child gives her a little experience of living child free 😁

It's totally, utterly different. Having a child changes your life...if you do it to a decent standard anyway.

From considering where you live (schools/garden/size, whatever) to taking extra care with relationships to things as simple as being unable to nip to the shop at 9pm at night. You always have to consider the small person in Every. SINGLE. Thing. You. Do. Every move you make, every life change, every activity, financial decision, every meal you cook or programme you put on the TV.

Those are just some examples amongst hundreds and they apply whether you have one child or five.

If you have a child, you have no concept of what it's like to be child free at all, which is pretty obvious!

You really don’t Hmm yes you take them into account but ultimately the final decision is the best one for the family as a whole, same as in a couple. I think parents try too hard today, they martyr themselves and end up stressed out and miserable. Happy parents equal a happy child.
MinnieMous3 · 04/04/2021 00:04

@Leobynature

I hate these types of threads. They have been done a million times before and always start drama. They are so goady and not helpful to anyone. This is a parenting site foremost, so it will always be controversial posting a thread about the pros of not having children here. Equally those childless (rather than child free) will also find it difficult to read how great motherhood is. There is a theme here all camps appear to mainly like wine, nights out, travelling, restaurants, disposable income, hobbies and food. This is true for most of us whether we have children or not. Wouldn’t it not be more empowering as women if we spend more time focusing and discussing the key to happiness which is seldom hard to find. The truth is no ones life is perfect.
Ffs what does goady even mean? That someone asked a controversial question that isn’t even that controversial? Well how very dare they on a chat forum, let’s get back to discussing knitting and the weather shall we 🙄 if you don’t like the subject matter just don’t click on it.
Oscaree · 04/04/2021 00:04

Veterinari - it is a balanced post. All I was saying was that women who choose not to get pregnant because it might damage their body are not necessarily free of risk also. Why is that such a bad thing to hear? I feel as women we're damned whatever decision we make

MinnieMous3 · 04/04/2021 00:05

@Handsoffstrikesagain

longhaul Genuine question but have you not at any point of parenthood found it all just a bit shit? I’ve got 3, number 4 arriving any day. I love my DC more than anything, I’d die for them, but I can’t pretend it’s ever been all sunshine and roses. There have been times I’ve sat in the bathroom and sobbed at not getting a minutes peace. Quietly fumed that someone has taken a felt pen to the wall/sofa/dining chair (take your pick when it comes to child no. 2). I find parenting pretty easy tbh but honest to god, sometimes I could just get in the car and drive off! Did you never feel like that? Your posts (and maybe I’m wrong on this) come across that your children have consumed every aspect of your life. I personally don’t believe it should be this way. You are a person in your own right. I’ve had plenty of nights out with the girls, date nights, the odd weekend away. I truly think those things make me a better person. Not being exhausted by my DC 24/7 because that’s good for no one. My DC are my everything but I think it’s important to have interests away from them to. Otherwise you’ll end up like my MIL. A crazy control freak who couldn’t let go and now doesn’t see her DC. She has no hobbies, no social life and no friends. It’s very sad. Didn’t you ever just fancy a night out with your friends? Getting dressed up and talking about other interests? I’m honestly not having a go, I just read your posts and was really intrigued x
Why are you having a 4th one then? Genuine question.
Veterinari · 04/04/2021 00:12

@Oscaree

Veterinari - it is a balanced post. All I was saying was that women who choose not to get pregnant because it might damage their body are not necessarily free of risk also. Why is that such a bad thing to hear? I feel as women we're damned whatever decision we make
Which is why I said I was going to thank you for a balanced and heartfelt post Confused

However the statement Women who have never been pregnant are at much greater risk of female cancers than women who have, so please don't base your decision on becoming a parent on this one thing. is reductive, scaremongering, and oversimplified.

I'm also not sure what the purpose is - I can't see any post where a woman has said 'oh I'd love to have kids to reduce my cancer risk'

If you're saying that other women shouldn't consider their own unique mental and physical health risks prior to having children, then tbh I'm not sure that's very good advice.

Veterinari · 04/04/2021 00:17

@Oscaree
For example, breast cancer:
Women who have children before the age of 20 have a lower lifetime risk of breast cancer compared to their nulliparous counterparts, but the young mothers have a higher risk for the first 15 years after their pregnancy. Mothers with five full-term pregnancies are about 50% less likely than nulliparous women to develop breast cancer.

So it really depends on the type of cancer, age of pregnancy, how long since you've been pregnant, and number of pregnancies , plus a whole host of other genetic and lifestyle factors.

I'm not sure sweeping statements promoting children to reduce cancer risks are helpful.

Especially as not everyone can actually have children

Oscaree · 04/04/2021 00:24

I'm simply replying to the comments that quite a few women have made on here that they're scared to be mums because they think it will destroy their bodies - something that actually might never happen, just like cancer may not. There are risks in whatever decisions we make in life - by me accepting one - possible incontinence from childbirth, but denying another - breast cancer because I haven't had a child isn't exactly balanced, is it? Quite frankly, I think it's important that a woman chooses the life that is right for her, but to deny a possibility because it doesn't fit, is crazy.