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To want everyone to know the names of the MPs who voted against feeding hungry children?

631 replies

WrongKindOfFace · 22/10/2020 07:40

Remember Marcus Rashford and his campaign to extend free school meals? Yesterday all but a handful of Tory MPs voted against extending free school meals over the school holidays until Easter 2021. You can see if your MP is amongst them here: votes.parliament.uk/Votes/Commons/Division/896#noes

Whatever your thoughts on what parents should be doing some children are going to go hungry. Why punish the children because of the sins of the parent? And remember most people on benefits are in work.

Plus there is a bloody pandemic. We’re in unprecedented times. People who were just about managing are now on the bones of their arse.

We have billions to spaff up the wall on a useless test and trace system, or useless Ppe but we can’t feed a few hungry kids. And le’t not forget that the MPs voting against this get subsidised meals and can claim for their food on expenses.

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VinylDetective · 22/10/2020 11:41

There may be something I've not understood about this proposal, I haven't been paying much attention

I think you’re right there.

calllaaalllaaammma · 22/10/2020 11:42

Mine is there. Outrageous.
I can’t see this being a vote winner.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 22/10/2020 11:42

'Why are we able to find funds to pay for our MP's food Bill's then? Surely they earn enough money to pay their own way? No one pays for my lunch so why are they different?'

I agree that MPs expenses needs an urgent review. It's like the House of Lords, dont they get paid £300 just for turning up? No link sorry, something I read on mn though so it must be true.

MissGrayling · 22/10/2020 11:43

Just emailed my local mp who is in the list too. What kind of world do we live in that we let children go hungry when we could stop that happening very easily? I have to keep reminding myself I am not living in Victorian times because it sure as hell feels like something straight out of a Charles Dickens novel...

AllesAusLiebe · 22/10/2020 11:44

Why are we able to find funds to pay for our MP's food Bill's then? Surely they earn enough money to pay their own way? No one pays for my lunch so why are they different?

That's conflating two separate issues. Of course MPs shouldn't have subsidised food. That's ridiculous. Billions shouldn't have been pissed up against the wall on the failed Test and Trace either. Also ridiculous.

BUT . . . none of this stupidity will be addressed by removing the responsibility for parents to make provisions for their own kids to eat during school holidays. Poverty is a much wider-reaching issue that also affects those without kids.

Peregrina · 22/10/2020 11:44

I don't think it's fair to say money is being wasted on PPE though.

I didn't say money was being wasted on PPE - I said it was being wasted on a firm which couldn't supply it.

WokesFromHome · 22/10/2020 11:46

I would email my MP but I am still waiting for a reply to the other emails I have sent her. She just doesn't give a shit.

VinylDetective · 22/10/2020 11:47

Full details of the parliamentary gravy train here. Members of the Lords get £305 just for turning up, with expenses on top.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salaries_of_Members_of_the_United_Kingdom_Parliament

Helocariad · 22/10/2020 11:47

It's despicable.
I'm glad to be living in Wales which, just like Scotland, voted to extend FSM. I understand Northern Ireland still has to vote on the matter/

Looks like England is the outlier here, and not in a good way Sad.

movingonup20 · 22/10/2020 11:47

@oakleaffy

Unfortunately giving asda vouchers (which one mumsnetter said she got for half term in lieu of fsm) isn't going to stop neglect, the parent can spend them on anything but alcohol or tobacco in fact.

A far better voucher system is what we received in the USA when we lived there, it specified exactly what we could receive - cereal, milk, eggs, cheese, carrots, tuna, apple juice, dried beans or peanut butter and formula (if under 1). The quantities were so plentiful too that we could give some to our neighbours with older kids who didn't qualify for this scheme. We had to earn under $40k to receive it which we thought was very generous compared to the U.K.

Neglect is so hard to legislate for but having school kitchens open during holidays would be more helpful probably than vouchers when taking into account those not being fed due to neglect/parent spending money on other things. Those where the situation is just insufficient income could be helped by general supermarket vouchers or uplift in benefits though

WokesFromHome · 22/10/2020 11:47

Sorry about drip feeding.

Marcus Rashford needs to come out and slag them off publicly. People in the spotlight and everyone of us who is willing needs to call these people out now and put pressure on them.

BooFuckingHoo2 · 22/10/2020 11:47

I went to a very small primary school and well remember one of the ‘dinner ladies’, who used to keep a couple of puddings hidden in the kitchen. She would then sneak my little sister and I around to an out of bounds area and give them to us. We went to school hungry and spent all day hungry, due to neglect. That woman was a saint.

I know also, that before my daughter (SN and autistic) came to me, she suffered hunger because of her neglectful birth parents. She used to hide food in her room, because she wasn’t used to being fed regularly or being permitted to grab a yogurt or fruit, whenever she wanted.

But in these cases the proposed scheme wouldn’t have helped because the neglectful parents wouldn’t have spent the voucher on something else rather than feeding the kids?

billyt · 22/10/2020 11:47

My local MP (Cons) voted against.

If you look at her she doesn't seem to miss many meals.

I didn't vote for her but I will be contacting her to air my anger.

These are the same people who want a £3300 pay rise?

How many kids would that feed?

Disgusting

Laiste · 22/10/2020 11:48

Why wasn't this on the news this morning?

BBC Breakfast has been all over Marcus Rashford's campaign. You would have thought a vote against it would have been news worthy?

Tory Chris Heaton-Harris for Daventry voted against. I'd love to hear the explanation.

CeibaTree · 22/10/2020 11:48

Anyone have any idea of the justifications of voting against this any of them have claimed - or are they all just yes men/women for the worst cabinet ever?

OnceUponAnEnzyme · 22/10/2020 11:49

£150,000 salary = not enough for Boris Johnson
£2.30 for a meal = too much for a hungry child.

I'd be surprised if this wasn't Milk Snatching all over again.

Laiste · 22/10/2020 11:50

@CeibaTree The only one i've seen so far is a load of gibberish about how the whole issue is a derailment of the wonderful government and it's work against covid Confused

I would be highly ashamed to call myself a Tory MP right now.

Gunpowder · 22/10/2020 11:53

Apart from anything else it’s politically stupid not to be in favour of this. It’s not like Brexit or immigration (even benefits in general!) where the population is divided. The vast majority of the country is in favour of feeding kids and supporting the NHS. Publicly ignore that and you stand to lose votes I reckon. I suppose they think by the next General Election it will be forgotten. I’m not so sure.

Sh05 · 22/10/2020 11:53

@Justforphoto

I'd support it if there was any guarantee that the vouchers would be used to feed the children but there isn't that guarantee, the children who really need the help still wouldn't get it. I am in favour of targeted projects being put in place to physically feed those children. I don't want anyone going hungry I just don't think this is the way to achieve it. Before anyone asks yes I do get fsm for my daughter so I would have benefitted.
At my nearest children's centre they prepare grab bags for the children who are eligible who then come and collect their lunches from the centre. Either the children come or a parent comes but normally children with younger/ older siblings in tow. The staff are familiar with the children and tick them off as they collect
OnceUponAnEnzyme · 22/10/2020 11:55

I would be highly ashamed to call myself a Tory MP right now.

In all honesty, I know now why so many of the people impacted by the Tory rule in the 80s are so hardened against voting for any version of the party again.

I cannot imagine ever voting Blue in my lifetime after the mismanagement, corruption and dishonesty we've seen over the last few years. I'd give my vote to almost anyone but them.

Cornettoninja · 22/10/2020 11:55

@LeaveMyDamnJam

Even Farage is against this Tory vote.
Fuck me really? Have you got a link?

I’d quite like a 24/7 webcam link on that fucker so I can watch the occasional flicker of squirming and recognition as to what he’s had a hand in turning this country into.

I never understood how it wasn’t more widely condemned that the man happily took a huge wage/expenses for being an MEP, blatantly abstained from doing any actual work then crowed about how the union offered us nothing. Yes you twat, because dickheads like you blocked roles that could have actually been done by people prepared to work on our behalf!

Sorry for the digression but the man sickens me.

picklecustard · 22/10/2020 11:57

With the benefit cap and the 2-child limit as well, I think this is going to really push some families and children into awful situations :(

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MagpieSong · 22/10/2020 11:58

[quote movingonup20]@oakleaffy

Unfortunately giving asda vouchers (which one mumsnetter said she got for half term in lieu of fsm) isn't going to stop neglect, the parent can spend them on anything but alcohol or tobacco in fact.

A far better voucher system is what we received in the USA when we lived there, it specified exactly what we could receive - cereal, milk, eggs, cheese, carrots, tuna, apple juice, dried beans or peanut butter and formula (if under 1). The quantities were so plentiful too that we could give some to our neighbours with older kids who didn't qualify for this scheme. We had to earn under $40k to receive it which we thought was very generous compared to the U.K.

Neglect is so hard to legislate for but having school kitchens open during holidays would be more helpful probably than vouchers when taking into account those not being fed due to neglect/parent spending money on other things. Those where the situation is just insufficient income could be helped by general supermarket vouchers or uplift in benefits though [/quote]
To be fair though, that applies to purposeful neglect or failing to put children’s needs above the parents wants. That isn’t about poverty purely, it’s about the parents not being able to parent so bit of a different issue (though can overlap in some cases). This is about providing food to families who can’t afford it, rather than families with parents who need therapy to help them learn to parent. I’ve experience with both types of families, but the issue with the specific vouchers in the US tends to be that anyone with issues like nut allergies, intolerances etc are unable to use that so there have to be a wider amount available. Providing the food itself in a food bank way could help, as could your suggestion of kitchens opening over half term, but there will always be children who are neglected despite this. For example, Parents with addictions or mental health issues not taking them to school kitchens during holidays for meals would not get fed, children with parents who do not shop may not get fed or may need to work out vouchers themselves. Even those without food storage due to poverty (not neglect) may not be able to keep fresh milk etc as they do not have a fridge so it lasts a very short time.

Just think this is important to point out as free school meals may help some neglected children, but it is the neglect that needs solving in that case with family workers putting in plans and support, aiding in attending meetings, giving mental health help and addiction support and so on. For those in poverty, parents can be perfectly able to put children’s needs above their own, but do not manage to earn enough to feed them for a variety of reasons. In these cases, access to food is the issue and all access to food (hopefully a wide range as those with intolerances and allergies need that) is helpful. They should both be conflated as one singular issue as its far more complex than that.

Justforphoto · 22/10/2020 11:59

@Sh05 that's the kind of thing that needs to be set up, the vouchers are too easy to use for what ever you want or sell to someone else if you need cash. It's got to be something that ensures the money actually goes to feeding the children.

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