When did Think become Fink.

[WokenUpEarly]

Genuine question, taking out any speech issues, when did Think become Fink?
Throw become Frow?
Etc

Gotten was the earlier past participle and remains in numerous dialects across the country. As with a lot of these things, you are encountering it more now as you are encountering the real/unedited written expressions of dialects online, rather than everything being edited into Standard English through published texts.

You can see the trace of it in Standard English with begotten and forgotten, the past participles of forget and beget.

I live in London and would never say fink etc.
I do hear it a lot - usually in sentences that also contain frequent repetition of "innit" and "like".

Isn’t gotten an Americanism?

No, it's not. It's perfectly normal speech in some parts of the UK and Ireland, and it very much pre-dates American influences in popular culture. Similar to Santa and Halloween, America was most likely influenced by us, not the other way round.

@whydoicomehere

Isn’t gotten an Americanism?

I didn’t know Scottish people said it. None of the ones I know do, they’re mainly Weegies or from Greenock, is it a regional thing?

DH does this. He has a very big tongue 😂 I’ve always put it down to that. I also blamed his mum for never correcting him when he was younger. It doesn’t bother him much, although when he suggested Ruth as a name for our youngest I had to put my foot down.

"I didn’t know Scottish people said it. None of the ones I know do, they’re mainly Weegies or from Greenock, is it a regional thing?"

People in Greenock say gotten all the time :s

Source: I am one.

I didn’t know Scottish people said it. None of the ones I know do, they’re mainly Weegies or from Greenock, is it a regional thing?

Plenty of people in Glasgow and Greenock will say gotten. You either haven't noticed or the people you know are some of the few who don't for whatever reason.

I say gotten. What do people say if they don’t say gotten??

I'm in NE Scotland and never hear anyone saying gotten. I'd say got, not gotten.

It's like definAtely which seems to be a Glasgow thing. I have a co-worker from Glasgow who says it all the time - everybody else says definitely.

Strangely, my DS when he was learning to speak and into YR would replace some “th” with “f” even though my DH, DD and I don’t speak like that. He’a fine now (age 7) but very occasionally over corrects and changes some “f” words into “th” (can’t think of an example right now)

@TheLastStarfighter

I say gotten. What do people say if they don’t say gotten??

Got?

How do you use it in a sentence though?

I've only heard children say gotten. My 4 year old still says it, she hasn't quite got to grips with the correct past tenses for all words.

f for th and v for th can be for different reasons:
(1) It's part of an accent
(2) Immature phonology/ speech production in children. They can't hear the difference between f an th
(3) Adults who have never learned to say th e.g. Gavin Williamson and Alec Salmond
SALTs don't usually tackle this because their caseloads are too full

"Got?

How do you use it in a sentence though?"

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gotten

OP I nearly started a thread about the same thing recently as it seeks to be quite common and can't all be due to speech impediments.

Think becomes fink, three becomes free, other is "uver"

Did these people just not learn to speak properly / were never corrected?

Possibly unrelated but I can't help but notice from places like Facebook just how bad so many people write - using the incorrect "there" or "they're" or "their" or a complete lack of punctuation which means I don't know what they're trying to say!

North East London born. It’s a regional accent innit.

Growing up I substituted ‘th’ for ‘f’ but I’ve learned to ‘code switch’ to speak properly with work colleagues even though I sometimes slip up. I still can’t pronounce ‘bothered’ or ‘brother’ properly though. It’s ‘bovvered’ and ‘brovver’. I’m not thick and have a good degree but growing up everybody spoke like this so that’s what I learned.

[quote imfatletsparty]"Got?

How do you use it in a sentence though?"

dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/gotten[/quote]
Well yes, but I’m wondering if I’ve missed something. So I asked the PP how she uses it.

Did these people just not learn to speak properly / were never corrected? You have to teach some people the difference between th and f. They can't hear the difference. It's called phonological awareness.

My DSS says it because he thinks it makes him sound more gangsta.
I just tell him it makes him sound 'fick'

They can't hear the difference. It's called phonological awareness.

II have noticed it more in people up to age 30 / early 30s. It doesn't seem to affect my parents generation. Are parents / schools to blame?

II have noticed it more in people up to age 30 / early 30s. It doesn't seem to affect my parents generation. Are parents / schools to blame?
No the people up to age 30 are using it as part of an accent. It's deliberate and it's not lazy.

Forty fousand fevers on a frush.......

Possibly unrelated but I can't help but notice from places like Facebook just how bad so many people write

Do elocution lessons (not SALT) still exist? I remember my brother who would be about five years old having them in the 1960s. We lived in Lancashire but he had to practice such gems as
' My father's car is a Jaguar and it goes rather fast but I'd rather ride in Arthur's cart than my Papa's fast car' in received pronunciation😂

@Hardbackwriter

Possibly unrelated but I can't help but notice from places like Facebook just how bad so many people write

Sorry I should have proof read that before posting but you get my point!