When did Think become Fink.

[WokenUpEarly]

Genuine question, taking out any speech issues, when did Think become Fink?
Throw become Frow?
Etc

How can it be a mispronounciation if people are unable to pronounce th or hear the difference? Or are you arrogant enough to think that just because you think it is a mispronounciation that they are lying about it? To me, it sounds like you have a misunderstanding problem or are unable to comprehend what some people are saying on this thread.

@derxa

Some people don't pronounce loch but say lock, it's a mispronunciation not an accent. English accents don't have the ch sound in their phonology because they don't need it in English English. Whereas Scottish English does have the ch sound in many words especially place names. Lock Lomond does sound very jarring to the Scottish ear but it is not due to ignorance or stupidity.

Same with 'lough' in Ireland. Was fun as a child learning how cough, through, bough, rough and though are all spelt the same but spelt differently!

@SuzieQQQ

It hasn’t changed. Fink is for idiots. It isn’t a word. Just like saying “ I done this, I done that” 🤮🤮 instead of “ I did this and I did that.

I'm willing to bet quite serious money I'm more intelligent by almost every measure than someone like you.

I can do both because I had a teacher who shamed and humiliated me into learning th. She was a giant arsehole too.

It hasn’t changed. Fink is for idiots. It isn’t a word. Just like saying “ I done this, I done that” 🤮🤮 instead of “ I did this and I did that.

Maybe people speak the way they want to, and don’t give a shit about the opinion of stuck-up snobs like you?
If you judge someone based on their accent, then YOU are a vile idiot.

While I sometimes think I've lost my Essex accent entirely a recent video of me at baby swimming with DS - or, as I sung to him 'swimmin' in the wa'er' - revealed this to be a delusion on my part. I also sometimes say 'fink' when I don't, er, think about it. Cambridge hasn't asked for its PhD back yet.

Learned behaviour from those around you. Sloppy speech. There's a whole slew of other examples, not just th. Listen to Radio 1 and you'll see how things have changed. There's no way the BBC would have allowed DJ's on air 30 years ago the way some of them speak now. Pronouncing 'th' is one of the last language related learning goals though - children aren't expected to be able to say th until they are 7, or so I was told a few moons ago when DS was in reception.

@TheTeenageYears

Learned behaviour from those around you. Sloppy speech. There's a whole slew of other examples, not just th. Listen to Radio 1 and you'll see how things have changed. There's no way the BBC would have allowed DJ's on air 30 years ago the way some of them speak now. Pronouncing 'th' is one of the last language related learning goals though - children aren't expected to be able to say th until they are 7, or so I was told a few moons ago when DS was in reception.

Are you Celia Johnson?

Cambridge hasn't asked for its PhD back yet.

And that's why you're a @Hardbackwriter

@Straven123 But pronouncing th as f isn't an accent more a mispronunciation

Who decides which pronunciations are valid parts of an accent and which are wrong though? Th-fronting has been around for at least 300 years. If the only people who ever said "fink" or "free" for "think" or "three" were randomly spread across the country, I'd agree with you. But when a whole group of people living in the same area as each other are pronouncing a sound differently to you? That's literally an accent. It's highly unlikely every single one of them is an idiot or uneducated (or whatever insult is currently being thrown at Estuary speakers) surely?

[quote Arofan]@Beaverdam100 Genuine question but, how do you say ‘the?’ or ‘that’, if it’s a speech impediment have tried a Speech and Language therapy (not sure if this service is available for adults on the NHS).[/quote]
Haven't read the whole thread as I can't bear these fake question concern threads as if a fully grown adult doesn't know that people speak differently but are you aware how nasty this comment makes you sound ?

@Straven123 it absolutely IS an accent thing, as SaLT we aren’t there to homogenise accents, we wouldn’t correct th-fronting unless specifically
asked to work on it.

We also don’t use the term speech impediment anymore. It’s a speech/communication difficulty, or a speech disorder. Stutter/stammer are also Not used, it’s a disfluency. Just an FYI.