When did Think become Fink.

[WokenUpEarly]

Genuine question, taking out any speech issues, when did Think become Fink?
Throw become Frow?
Etc

I've never heard it in a Scottish accent. Just makes me think of Jamie Oliver. 🤷🏻‍♀️

My son can't say th either, but he says it as a v(like in victory) instead

Cockneys can get a whole sentence in to one word sometimes.

Weryagaaaan?

Where are you going?

Shuyamaaf!

Shut your mouth.

Gertcha.

Go away.

Chas N Dave anyone?

@Arofan the sound in the or that is not the same as think or thought. But there are people who th-front on those words too. They’ll say Ve or vat.

Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be the same stigma attached to the ‘Irish’ version which makes the-de, and think-tink. No one says that ‘laziness’.

@goose1964

My son can't say th either, but he says it as a v(like in victory) instead

My friend does this, she has a fabulous job in recruitment and I can't immediately think of an example, but she's done fine x

I'm in Scotland where we definitely don't say fink but it has crept in to our language. I'm fed up correcting kids' spelling of wiff for with too.
Also fin for thin etc etc

Londoners with a native accent do perfectly well though, it’s not even really a noticeable thing here. I found when I worked in central I did sound a bit more clipped and made the effort but at home, this is my exact voice (Chas N Dave are local boys)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=7bW8vyeSi2Y

@RaraRachael

I'm in Scotland where we definitely don't say fink but it has crept in to our language. I'm fed up correcting kids' spelling of wiff for with too. Also fin for thin etc etc

Yes I think that's why I notice it, I'm in Scotland, and it's historically been kids with a speech issue. So when it crept into general chat, or on the phone to clients, I've had to address it. Interestingly, every time I've asked people, they have actually been perfectly able to pronounce it properly .

1997

It happened around the same time ‘take’ became ‘bring’. This misuse makes me murderous.

Th is very much th where I live. I always associate it with watching Grange Hill as a child.

But who am I to criticise because I find it very difficult to pronounce the 'tt' sound in the middle of words because in my accent we just don't pronounce it and it sounds really fake if we do.

It used to be regional (Estuary mainly) but then it crept around the country. I teach and live in the North, when I taught Secondary, a good 25% of my Lanc and Manc students couldn’t pronounce their th’s. My Welsh ex couldn’t. Now I teach University students and many of them can’t pronounce their th’s either. Not just those with Cockney/Estuary accents...3 from North Wales, two from Midlands, 1 from Wigan, 1 from Barnsley, a few from the Wirral, lots from Manc/Greater Manc/Lancs... it seems worse than ever.
One of my old bosses (a Head) used to say it started to get worse a few years after Eastenders started on the TV. Not sure if that’s accurate.

I'm from North London and it is my natural way of talking. I am not ignorant either.

I'm 40s and I can't pronounce 'th'. My sister can't either. It's not laziness.

It's called th-fronting, moving to f. First noted in London late 18th c, but shows up in other dialects too.

Th is a really unusual sound (voiceless dental fricative) and is only present in a few (4%) languages, worldwide. So it's not that surprising dialects will periodically make a bid for the exit on it. It's hard to learn as an adult.

It is a consistent transformation not a slip -- its sister sound, the voiced dental fricative, goes from th to v (Am I bovvered. I fink I am.)

I can't hear the difference. This just seems like another thread of people being nasty about regional accents.

@user128472578267

I can't hear the difference. This just seems like another thread of people being nasty about regional accents.

It's not x

When it went to laahdan

This is nothing to do with slagging of accents, I'm from central Scotland. My accent is awesome and I love southern accents. It's a question 😊

'Fink' is a very South London pronunciation.

The South London pronunciation that drives me mad is saying 'oo' (as in stool) rather than 'U' (as in you). So 'Stoodent' instead of 'Student'.

[quote OwlBeThere]@Arofan the sound in the or that is not the same as think or thought. But there are people who th-front on those words too. They’ll say Ve or vat.

Interestingly there doesn’t seem to be the same stigma attached to the ‘Irish’ version which makes the-de, and think-tink. No one says that ‘laziness’.[/quote]
I read the Jennifer Worth books that Call the Midwife was based on and I remember her referring to an elderly lady who had spent her younger years in the workhouse and who was obsessed with the local babies and when she wrote her speech in the book it was 've baby is crying' and similar.

Yes, Estuary English. We all speak like that round here.

Omg my dd cannot pronounce th only f!! I blame her father because he can't either. I think it sounds awful but not sure how l can change it!!

when did Think become Fink?
Always has been round here 🤷‍♀️

I had speech therapy as a kid and still can't pronounce my th's. It's either an f or a v to me.

I can't hear the difference very well either.

My parents put a lot of effort into trying to correct it to no avail.

I do have quite a big gap between my front teeth and have wondered if this has anything to do with it.