To be really angry that seeing my parents is illegal?

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My area is very likely to be locked down next week. I am so furious that it’s going to be against the law for me to see my parents, and my children to see their grandparents. We did lockdown properly last time, it was absolutely awful. My mental health plummeted and I don’t think I can do it again. I rely on support from family and friends.

Just feeling so incredibly angry about it all tonight. Poor people in Leicester have lived like this for 100 days so far with no end in site.

I’m so fed up and I know I’m going to be told to just get on it it. But I just need a space to vent.

Geeze... how the hell did Britain actually survive the war and the blitz with all this whining and faux American "my rights" nonsense?

Before the "my righters" pile on like flies on a head - take a moment to read below - one family 6 members dead and 16 infected... and its NOT unusual.

But everyone gets this right? So what's really behind this rules-are-not-for-me in a pandemic??

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-claims-lives-six-members-one-family-infects-14-others-n1242738

vlnr77yac

Of course it's unusual or it would hardly make the news, would it?

I grew up in a non-Democracy. The liberation struggle casts long shadows, it's a very scarred society now.
I cannot take seriously someone who thinks our rights are "faux American".
Spoken with a true voice of ignorance and privilege.

I cannot take seriously someone who thinks our rights are "faux American

Abso-bloody-luteley

Well all I know is I am a damn sight less worried about catching covid rather than finding a suspicious lump or similar at present.

At least as a covid patient I will be given top priority!

As a potential cancer patient I am dispensable!

A relative of mine has been charged £150 for a private TELEPHONE consultation this week. Nothing at all available via the NHS!

@MaxNormal

It is NOT unusual - family members are infecting / killing each other with covid all the time especially in the US where this "anti-lockdown" fervour is running riot. See below articles.

But you know that because you have google too.This false equivalency between soviet Russia or wherever undemocratic folk are coming from and rules to save lives during a pandemic is staggering.

Its more likely Russian bots are behind the anti-lockdown complaints to destabilise us, than a master plan by Boris to keep control for the next millennia.

Below - one family 28 member, and another 14 members, and another 11 members infected after a pool party... a pool party for goodness sake in a pandemic !!!!!

www.cnn.com/2020/06/28/us/california-coronavirus-28-family-members/index.html

www.kiro7.com/news/trending/coronavirus-14-family-members-infected-after-backyard-barbecue/NRZWXTVILNHBPDPTIVTNMB4KYM/

Who said anything about Russia?

To the poster whose relative has pancreatic cancer. Compassionate reasons are allowed, anyway. And if this doesn't count as compassion, I don't know what does.

vlnr77yac Geeze... how the hell did Britain actually survive the war and the blitz with all this whining and faux American "my rights" nonsense?

They got through it together. Not being banned from seeing and supporting each other.

People are being denied the ability to meet the basic need of contact with other people. That may be terribly rational, in terms of virus spread, but humans have not evolved to be separated and there is a wealth of academic literature detailing all the damage that causes, physical and mental. People are losing their minds. You may think their behaviour is irrational but they are not robots figuring out the most rational thing to do, they are people who are distressed on a deep level due to living in conditions that go against our very nature. And this at a time when many have lost jobs or other difficult circumstances when we tend to need each other more than ever.

I genuinely don't understand why a grown adult can't go without seeing their parents for a few weeks or months. Genuinely.

They got through it together. Not being banned from seeing and supporting each other

Millions of men were fighting abroad and many school age children were evacuated

They got through it together. Not being banned from seeing and supporting each other

Not the whole truth - families were parted by military service, evacuation, relocation (ie volunteering as Land Girl or or assigned as Bevin Boy, or sent to work in other priority areas). Families who were together were pretty unusual. They supported each other by letter, and if they were very lucky, occasional phone call. Plus planned visits if they couid get leave.

@Gwenhwyfar

I genuinely don't understand why a grown adult can't go without seeing their parents for a few weeks or months. Genuinely.

Me too. It’s pathetic and juvenile.

@AllPowerfulLizardPerson

They got through it together. Not being banned from seeing and supporting each other

Not the whole truth - families were parted by military service, evacuation, relocation (ie volunteering as Land Girl or or assigned as Bevin Boy, or sent to work in other priority areas). Families who were together were pretty unusual. They supported each other by letter, and if they were very lucky, occasional phone call. Plus planned visits if they couid get leave.

Yes but I didn't mean families together. I meant friends, neighbours, random people who became friends when thrown together... Human contact and companionship, even as they were dealing with missing loved ones and terrible losses.

[quote Ecosse]@Letsgetgoing123

Lockdown doesn’t slow the spread- it pushes it back a few weeks.[/quote]
Lockdown is to slow the rate of hospital admissions.

This is in all of our best interests, as we never know when we may need one.

"Me too. It’s pathetic and juvenile."

Glad I'm not the only one!

I'm in a lockdown area and haven't been allowed to mix with friends and family in their houses or gardens for a few weeks now. Because cases have still risen it seems likely that pubs, restaurants and other businesses will be shut soon. We aren't that far over the threshold and potentially if everyone had stuck to the rules, there would be fewer infections now and pubs and restaurants etc could stay open and people's jobs wouldn't be under threat.

@Gwenhwyfar

I genuinely don't understand why a grown adult can't go without seeing their parents for a few weeks or months. Genuinely.

Yes, I don’t know any of my friends who are saying this, we are all just getting on with it.

Yes but I didn't mean families together. I meant friends, neighbours, random people who became friends when thrown together... Human contact and companionship, even as they were dealing with missing loved ones and terrible losses.

Well my gran came to England with her younger kids while her husband and 2 eldest sons were fighting with the British forces. She knew no one and then she got evacuated, I think because she got pregnant when granddad was on leave. She was far from home and I think it must have been terrifying but as long as she had a packet of Park Drive and a church near by she managed. I don't think the English were particularly welcoming or supportive to her never mind my in laws, mixed marriage and when they tried to go to a church service they got chucked out as the locals were so horrified to see a white woman with a black soldier. Not sure how she coped when she got the telegram to say he had been wounded and how she and my husband were treated when she was a young widow with a mixed race child in 1940s England was truly shameful. I don't think companionship was high on the list.

[quote WinifredSanderson]@Letsgetgoing123 I'd let people make their own decisions on what they consider a risk. Because we're adults and capable of making choices. My DD worked frontline all through lockdown, so lockdown really only protects those able to wfh. I'm not ok with that nor should anyone else be. [/quote]
I think we have had the summer to pretty much make our own choices, for some reason this hasn’t worked.

Perhaps some need rules rather than advice to make the right choices, and the rest of us who have been sensible have to have more restrictions.

The planned lockdown is to slow the rate of hospital admissions not particularly to protect specific people, although obviously there is more risk if you are frontline. Don’t forget anyone working from home, but who has kids in school or college has risks too through them.

I am in a Lockdown area. Haven't been able to see friends or family for weeks. Yes it's shit, but the longer people keep breaking the rules, the longer we will be stuck like this, while cases continue to rise.
Use Zoom, Teams, Messenger etc to keep in contact for now.

Yes it's shit, but the longer people keep breaking the rules, the longer we will be stuck like this

Okay, so we all stick to the rules. Cases decrease. Restrictions ease. Oh look, cases have risen.
Rinse. Repeat.

Kids won't be half as damaged not seeing their grand parents for some months as they will from a parent who acts in away to make them believe it is devastating. Now is the time to teach the value of resilience and the good of public health.

So so glad it isn't just me. I'm sick of people telling kids their lives are ruined, their education is ruined, they are forever damaged. Of course if we hammer the message hard enough it will inevitably happen.

I genuinely don't understand why a grown adult can't go without seeing their parents for a few weeks or months. Genuinely.

Your choice. If you can't understand why some people may need the support of their family, then you can't really be thinking that hard about it.

My Dd is officially a grown adult on MN terms - she's 18y and just gone to university.

NOTHING will prevent me from still seeing her, whenever she wants us to see her. Regardless of rules she will always be welcome in her family home.

In fact from the time she left for university, due to the utter mess that is the whole university offerings right now, we have said that here is her home - she is just travelling (and sometimes staying over) in her university town for the purpose of education. There is not yet her home in our eyes - hopefully as the academic year progresses it may be able to become that for her, but not yet.

The people I know in local lockdown areas are generally still seeing close family anyway. Many are seeing grandparents as they provide childcare - so the child and grandparents are seeing one another in their homes, and as a result the parent of the child is normally seeing the grandparent too. These grandparents are all under the age of 70.

@MaxNormal

Yes it's shit, but the longer people keep breaking the rules, the longer we will be stuck like this

Okay, so we all stick to the rules. Cases decrease. Restrictions ease. Oh look, cases have risen.
Rinse. Repeat.

That won't happen forever. We will have a vaccine in a few months. For the time being people need to stick to rules such as not visiting family and friends indoors because if they don't businesses will not be able to operate. Even if not forced to close many people will stop going out if cases are too high. It's happening already where I live.

Okay, so we all stick to the rules. Cases decrease. Restrictions ease. Oh look, cases have risen. Rinse. Repeat.

Exactly - how long do the restrictions go on for? And how frequently?
How does the constant cycle ever break?

March for several weeks only delayed it. It didn't stop Covid. It never was going to. These local lockdowns aren't helping in many areas - cases are still rising, probably as so much is still open (school, work, universities being key areas with lots of people mixing in close contact daily in large numbers) so do they even help now?