Just found out that Billie Piper doesn't share social/political views as her ex H

[EddyF]

I just assumed that she shared similar views as that silly man. I am not sure what attracted her to him; she seems pretty level headed and clued up.

I googled her as I saw a movie featuring her and I wanted to watch it but wouldn't have watched it if she was anything like that Lawrence/Laurence, or whatever he's called. I really dislike the man and his face, and unfairly, I had lumbered Bilie with him despite them being separated.

But I can't imagine marrying and having kids with someone who is on a completely different wavelength on such important issues.

I guess there's no aibu but had me reflect if he was always like this/only become like what he is after the divorce.

I would hate to parent with someone with views like him. I would be worried what he's teaching my children all types of intolerance. Plus he's just not very bright.

Woke capitalism is a contradiction in terms.

It's not racist it's selling to your market

Imagine a multinational in the EU saying they won’t use minority faces in their ad campaigns because the market won’t accept it. They’d get a right bollicking.

I also recall Netflix LGBT virtue signaling tweets went totally untranslated for their Middle Eastern market 🤔

@HeresMe

This is an example of how much big business cares about racism. Jo Malone herself sold the business years ago and is absolutely disgusted.

Well she shouldnt have sold her name easy to say when you millions in bank.

Sadly and s lot people don't understand is black face don't sell in China.

It's not racist it's selling to your market.

It's not racist it's selling to your market. Well that's my point. Companies don't care about challenging racism. It's all about sales.

It's so weird how "triggered" some people are by the idea of anything they perceive as "woke."

"Woke" has become an umbrella term for anything that counts as even vaguely liberal or vaguely pro-civil rights, eg being anti-racist.

If you say you are anti-woke, you are literally announcing that you are pro-racist.

Yet the same people who constantly screech and cry and throw epic toys-out-the-pram tantrums the second anyone says they care about racism, are the same tantrumming snowflakes who act like being accused of racism is the very worst thing in the world, far worse than actually being a victim of racism.

And the fixation that white celebs are immune to criticism (which the anti-wokesters wrongly label as "cancelling") while insisting that even the most extreme abuse and hatred aimed at black and biracial celebs is perfectly fine as it's "criticism." So hypocritical.

If you say you are anti-woke, you are literally announcing that you are pro-racist

No.

Also - you don't understand what literally means

@corinaB - but most people don’t have to imagine their ancestors being treated in such an inhuman fashion -women, most notably since the Roman Empire/Christendom have largely been seen as commodities-owned by their fathers and husbands, thrown away if they didn’t fulfil requirements, often died in fulfilling their duties, unable to own property or be free of their male masters both long before and after the Atlantic slave trade -imagine being burned at the stake because you were a little weird and didn’t get married.

Jewish people, well where to start, blamed for everything, constantly thrown out of anywhere they tried to settle, had their property taken from them, burned alive/suffocated. Even now (often the woke brigade) remains complicit in their persecution.

People of every faith and none have and are still being killed and persecuted for their faith.

I think the problem lies when one of the groups is singled out for what some see as special treatment- everyone is falling over themselves re BLM, how does this make other groups feel, rather than welcoming along other persecuted groups they keep being specifically excluded. If anyone thinks any of these big companies give a fuck except insofar as it affects profits they’re deluded.

Rather than focusing on one particular group, creating further divisions we need to concentrate on actually learning to value everyone equally. At the moment advertising is becoming ridiculous- 3% of the U.K. is black, every new advert, program, anything in media is becoming 50/50 as everyone falls over themselves to be woke -this can only really do harm to misrepresent demographics in the media. We treat everyone equally by uniting not dividing.

If you say you are anti-woke, you are literally announcing that you are pro-racist

If so, then calling some a racist has literally become meaningless.

I don’t believe in de-platforming or cancelling, real and difficult conversations on sensitive subjects is absolutely necessary but can’t be had with woke culture.

Honestly, "cancellling", identity politics, social media data mining, culture wars, fake news... People fucked up the internet so badly (and that's without even touching on all the illegal stuff it facilitates). It should have been one of the best - if not THE best - inventions of human history but all this shit just makes me wonder if the benefits even outweigh the negatives.

Imagine a multinational in the EU saying they won’t use minority faces in their ad campaigns because the market won’t accept it. They’d get a right bollicking.

That's a different industry, in China black faces won't increase sales as most people in China aren't black I don't think that's racist it's appealing to your market.

And seeing as the UK is 85 percent white, you could actually say most advertising is over represented and even soaps are but we are all racist

‘That's a different industry, in China black faces won't increase sales as most people in China aren't black I don't think that's racist it's appealing to your market.‘

The same could be said of Britain.

froggy
I have rarely ever read such a pile of unadultured rubbish.
While the original meaning of woke meant to be aware of social issues it now means constantly looking for things to be offended by
For example the following things have been declared to be racist....

• punctuality
• canoes
• maths

This is wokeness. Saying the treatment of George Floyd was disgusting and likely racially motivated, normal. Similarly, It’s basic humanity to say trans women deserve respect, it’s woke to say trans women are women.

and I literally have no idea what you are talking about with your last paragraph.

Look up the case of Nick Buckley if you refuse to accept that cancel culture exists. He dared to speak against BLM and was removed from his post at the charity he had established which had helped hundreds of young black men.

@aintnousernamelikenousername

People don’t need to ‘get over it’. Cancelling someone isn’t wrong if they have despicable and disgusting views like that fool does.

So who decides what views are wrong and disgusting ?

I agree with you totally, I don't agree with companies and the media 'jumping on the band wagon' I think it's divisive.

However, I think after George Floyd's murder and various other acts of brutality towards black people in the states, it all became a boiling pot of frustration, anger and despair that boiled over. When you add to that, arguably the most powerful man in the world also stiring the pot, you get a shit show of epic proportions.

What has changed fuck all as far as I can see

The arguments about cancelling and censorship are just straight up Orwellian Doublethink:

Myth: Fox has been cruelly cancelled and censored due to his views.
Reality: Fox has been given a massive platform, including major magazine covers, his own column in a very influential daily newspaper, and primetime TV appearances, solely for making "anti-woke" comments. He is not a politician or a writer or even a successful actor and has done nothing career-wise to deserve such a platform.

Myth: Anyone who is right-wing or anti-woke, like Fox, is being oppressed.
Reality: Being "anti-woke" often means you are handed opportunities on a platter which you have not earned.

Myth: Being "cancelled" is a form of censorship.
Reality: Cancelled is just the word anti-wokesters use to describe being criticised or disliked for your actions. There are genuine victims of "cancel culture"; privileged celebs who are being handed a huge media platform are not among their number.

Myth: Liberals are overly sensitive speshul snowflakes who complain about everything.
Reality: 15,000 "anti-wokesters" took the time to lodge a formal complaint just because they were angry that a black dance troupe did a dance to protest against police massacring black people in cold blood, when they could far more easily have just turned their TVs to another channel.

What concerns me about this thread is that the "anti-wokesters" seem to making a habit of making false statements, either twisting the facts to fit their agenda (eg lying about what Fox actually said on QT), or posting assumptions without bothering to check first (eg the posts about Ayoade, and Piper).

Evening everyone - we've had a few reports about this thread.

Can we respectfully ask folk to please focus on the subject raised by the OP rather than making comments about people's appearance? It's not relevant to the subject of the thread and it's not particularly helpful to anyone either. If we have to delete lots of posts for breaking our Talk Guidelines, we may also have to consider removing the entire thread.

Thanks everyone - peace and love.

While the original meaning of woke meant to be aware of social issues it now means constantly looking for things to be offended by

Yeah, no, that's total bollocks.

It's right wingers/anti-wokesters who are constantly offended and constantly looking for things to be offended by.

In the context of this thread, "woke" relates to man making overtly racist and misogynistic views including publicly mocking the woman who made a sexual harassment complaint against him, and people defending him on the grounds that being anti-racist and pro-women is "woke" and therefore (in this insane partisan groupthink identity-politics world) bad.

Why are you trying to derail the thread by ranting nonsense about canoes? Where has anyone mentioned canoes?

People are trying their very very hardest to defend racism, sexual harassment and misogyny, on the extremely nebulous and shaky grounds that anything "woke" or "liberal" is automatically bad (even when it's things like being against abuse of women), and that as proud Right Wingers it's your job to stand up to those evil awful Wokesters by fighting them whenever they say anything, even if what they're saying is "I don't like racism" or "I don't want to give my money to woman-abusers."

Madness. Common sense has totally flown out the window.

I didn't know they were married. But I've just found out who he is recently. Probs why they are divorced! But I do agree no way could I be in a long term relationship let alone have kids with someone who I disagreed with on social and political level.

How can there simultaneously be victims of cancel culture and cancelling only mean to be criticised and disliked?

I don’t think you understand what doublethink means.

15,000 "anti-wokesters" took the time to lodge a formal complaint just because they were angry that a black dance troupe did a dance to protest against police massacring black people in cold blood, when they could far more easily have just turned their TVs to another channel

What's even worse is... on the night there were a just a few hundred complaints.
Then the DM ran a piece
And the DM readers decided to complain.
They probably hadn't even seen it

I don’t know what dance troupes or canoes have got to do with this thread.

Maybe each person who thinks they are on a particular ‘side’ would like to give a list of examples they think it is acceptable to raise.

Isn't a safe space just a place for people to go and talk about stuff with people with similar experiences?

It's not like people are told that they must go to this place and can't go to the other place.

Aren't there other examples like the Black Police Officer's association?

Maybe women should have a safe space as well to discuss things?
Or LGBT people?

It's so weird how "triggered" some people are by the idea of anything they perceive as "woke."

I think there are two extremes that are both damaging. Woke might be the wrong word but there is certainly a problem with no platforming, not accepting difference of opinion and witch hunting going on. There is also the anti-woke who find anything progressive about racism or women's rights completely triggering. I don't think it's helpful to deny either side is a problem because I agree more with one or the other.