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Just found out that Billie Piper doesn't share social/political views as her ex H

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EddyF · 04/10/2020 15:48

I just assumed that she shared similar views as that silly man. I am not sure what attracted her to him; she seems pretty level headed and clued up.

I googled her as I saw a movie featuring her and I wanted to watch it but wouldn't have watched it if she was anything like that Lawrence/Laurence, or whatever he's called. I really dislike the man and his face, and unfairly, I had lumbered Bilie with him despite them being separated.

But I can't imagine marrying and having kids with someone who is on a completely different wavelength on such important issues.

I guess there's no aibu but had me reflect if he was always like this/only become like what he is after the divorce.

I would hate to parent with someone with views like him. I would be worried what he's teaching my children all types of intolerance. Plus he's just not very bright.

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Smileyaxolotl1 · 04/10/2020 20:58

froggy
Can you state anything actually racist he has said or done please?
Because while it may be ignorant and insensitive it’s not actually racist to not accept the concept of white privilege or to say that ‘all lives matter.’

MangoFeverDream · 04/10/2020 20:58

proud Right Wingers it's your job to stand up to those evil awful Wokesters by fighting them whenever they say anything

I’m not a proud right-winger but have had enough of woke nonsense. We can’t have sane discussions when everything is derailed by accusations of racism.

Tactics very similar to the trans issue with transphobic screamed at anyone who dares to raise questions or utter unorthodox opinions

frumpety · 04/10/2020 20:59

Had to google him , didn't have to google her.

Stripesnomore · 04/10/2020 21:00

Why is it necessary to keep misusing the word triggered?

chomalungma · 04/10/2020 21:00

@froggygoneacourting

I love your posts.

The irony of some posts and behaviour is amazing.

AuntMasha · 04/10/2020 21:01

The prejudice on here is off the scale.

Is it? I’ve seen far worse out there.

HandfulofDust · 04/10/2020 21:01

@froggygoneacourting

I feel like I don't need to bother posting as you said it all perfectly.

Ablackrussian · 04/10/2020 21:01

So who decides what views are wrong and disgusting?

Usually the targeted group that they are aiming their bile at?

It stands to reason that most white people aren't fazed by what he says. That's because it doesn't affect them. You then have have white people who have empathy, so they speak out about it.

It's hardly rocket science.

derxa · 04/10/2020 21:02

or even a successful actor He was very good in Lewis Grin

Smileyaxolotl1 · 04/10/2020 21:03

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chomalungma · 04/10/2020 21:04

I’m not a proud right-winger but have had enough of woke nonsense. We can’t have sane discussions when everything is derailed by accusations of racism

News you for you. Many racists would be against celebrating and discussing anything to do with black people and their contribution to history.

The same people who don't understand that being white (and male) can give you a massive advantage in the UK (in some areas of life) and then get upset and deny white male privilege.

And gets applauded for it.

The same people who complain in their newspaper columns, articles, TV interviews, radio shows about how they are being cancelled and they don't have a voice. They have no fucking idea what it is like to not be heard.

Equality for all looks like oppression to some people.

Theworldisfullofgs · 04/10/2020 21:04

MangoFeverDream

Personally its quite different.
However, I'm getting increasingly bothered by the trans debate when I see who some mumsnetters are prepared to cosy up to and views that they are prepared to tolerate and ignore.

chomalungma · 04/10/2020 21:07

@Theworldisfullofgs

MangoFeverDream

Personally its quite different.
However, I'm getting increasingly bothered by the trans debate when I see who some mumsnetters are prepared to cosy up to and views that they are prepared to tolerate and ignore.

If someone is anti women's rights and anti-feminist, there's a fair bet they are also against trans people as well.

Still, useful allies and all.

Stripesnomore · 04/10/2020 21:12

Trying to explain the world through the notion of privilege is an example of what people mean by wokeness.

It doesn’t make you more committed to ending sexism of racism. It just means you are more committed to a silly theory than resolving the world’s issues.

Chicchicchicchiclana · 04/10/2020 21:12

Why have there been loads of reports about this thread? If there have it puts you [one] off Mumsnet hugely. Is Mumsnet really full of people who don't like a bit of criticism of Laurence Fox and his stupid views?

chomalungma · 04/10/2020 21:15

It doesn’t make you more committed to ending sexism of racism. It just means you are more committed to a silly theory than resolving the world’s issues

Don't you think that acknowledging your privilege helps you understand more about racism, sexism etc - and things that you can do in your life to help reduce such things?

Smileyaxolotl1 · 04/10/2020 21:15

Chic
I have no idea. The message seemed to suggest it was because it insulted his appearance. Bizarre....

Stripesnomore · 04/10/2020 21:16

Apparently because people commented on celebs’ appearances.

It is news to me that this is not allowed.

derxa · 04/10/2020 21:16

Why have there been loads of reports about this thread? Yes why. It's been a good thread and if it goes I despair

Stripesnomore · 04/10/2020 21:18

‘Don't you think that acknowledging your privilege helps you understand more about racism, sexism etc - and things that you can do in your life to help reduce such things?‘

No. I don’t believe privilege is a helpful concept for understanding inequality and oppression. My impression is that people who talk about privilege would rather have their theory applauded than actually change anything or communicate with other people to try and find solutions. They think they know better.

froggygoneacourting · 04/10/2020 21:22

This is possibly matter for a separate thread, but as an Orthodox Jew and an active member of several Jewish organisations including ones that fight for social justice, the fact a few posts have brought Jews into the conversation piques my interest.

There have unfortunately been incidents of overt anti-semitism within BLM and from specific individuals. I personally was involved in an industry incident a couple of months ago where my own Jewish industry group had to make a decision how to push back on such an incident, which led to many hours of debating the complexities and nuances of the situation and context of that situation. Nonetheless, there has been huge support within many Jewish communities and many parts of the British Jewish community for the BLM movement. Systemic racism affects all of us, and any action is dismantling the structures of racism, benefits all of us.

One of the ways that white supremacy asserts itself is by trying to pit different minority groups against each other, and by attempting to weaponise racism and faux-concern for one minority group with the agenda of attacking or dismissing another minority group.

I can't count how many times I've witnessed people who pretty obviously aren't that keen on brown people suddenly pretend to care about the plight of the Palestinians just as an excuse to engage in a bit of Jew-bashing. And vice versa, people who suddenly really really love Jews when a synagogue is attacked and they get to rant about how it was obviously evil Mu***s who did it.

Several times recently I've noticed Mumsnetters shoehorn Jews into debates about BLM as a way to attack or debunk people fighting anti-black racism, and it concerns me greatly. Just the other day a poster (who noticeably ignored the question of whether they were Jewish) told me to stop discussing my family's personal experiences in the Holocaust as a way to explain why I feel comparisons between the Shoah Camps and the ICE camps are justified. On the grounds that it could be "offensive to Jewish people." Even though I AM a Jewish person, and the poster trying to silence me was most likely not.

If people genuinely care about anti-semitism and the complexities of racial politics, I'm very happy to discuss and educate on another thread or privately. I know there are many Jewish posters on MN who are happy to discuss our religion and beliefs and how those beliefs differ across the diaspora. Of course it's very possible some of the posters on this thread who brought up Jews, are themselves Jewish, and I respect your right to your beliefs.

But if you aren't Jewish, please take our names out of your mouths. Whatever we (as a huge disparate group of individuals who all have our own opinions) think of BLM, us Jews are are not tools you can use as weapons against black people. Especially when some Jews ARE black (or of other non-white backgrounds) and the internal and external oppressions of Sephardic, Mizrahi, and most of all Beta Jews is so bad, and so ignored.

(Back to Fox now.)

Roussette · 04/10/2020 21:23

Is Mumsnet really full of people who don't like a bit of criticism of Laurence Fox and his stupid views?

I presume they have signed up to his posh UKIP party. It's sometimes called UKIP for culture. I think he's calling it 'Reclaim'.
🤣
However, it's not yet been approved by the Electoral Commission. will it ever

Theworldisfullofgs · 04/10/2020 21:30

If anyone has looked at the Reclaim initial manifesto, it has fairly fascist overtones. Its all about thought policing institutions.

He wants cancel culture when it suits him. Not an advocate of free speech at all.

longwayoff · 04/10/2020 21:32

Wtf an actor doing on Question Time anyway? It's a political programme. I haven't watched it for a few years but have they resorted to recruiting from BBC Green rooms? What next? Mr Tumble comments on the national debt?

longwayoff · 04/10/2020 21:38

Ukip for Culture? GrinGrinGrin

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