Just found out that Billie Piper doesn't share social/political views as her ex H

[EddyF]

I just assumed that she shared similar views as that silly man. I am not sure what attracted her to him; she seems pretty level headed and clued up.

I googled her as I saw a movie featuring her and I wanted to watch it but wouldn't have watched it if she was anything like that Lawrence/Laurence, or whatever he's called. I really dislike the man and his face, and unfairly, I had lumbered Bilie with him despite them being separated.

But I can't imagine marrying and having kids with someone who is on a completely different wavelength on such important issues.

I guess there's no aibu but had me reflect if he was always like this/only become like what he is after the divorce.

I would hate to parent with someone with views like him. I would be worried what he's teaching my children all types of intolerance. Plus he's just not very bright.

And I don’t doubt that his family have been spat at and abused - that’s #bekind tolerant left showing themselves again.

I think the left/right distinction has as good as negated itself by now. The censorious 'left' as it currently sees itself is nothing like any left-wing stance I recognise or have ever known. Far from being a horseshoe effect of far left politics meeting far right, it's now become an ever decreasing circle where the left in particular is chasing its own tail, catching it, and eating itself.

Laurence Fox is sick of these censorious attitudes and for this I can't blame him. I DO blame him for his denial of the existence of particular forms of societal privilege, as well as the cavalier dismissal of the experiences of people who don't happen to share that privilege and been disadvantaged because of it. It's important that this stuff should not be rugswept, and should receive a fair hearing and the discussion it merits rather than cancelling, deplatforming, and #nodebate, which achieves nothing and prevents progress. It's actually a conversation that is long overdue.

I disagree strongly with Fox on many of the key points he makes. I still would passionately defend his right to speak (although wouldn't defend other people's right to challenge what he says vociferously; that's how free speech works). IMO, though, 'Cancel Culture', rendering people silenced, unemployed - dare I say it, fucking vapourised with all associated documentation thrown down the memory hole - taking us down an insidious and very dangerous slippery slope.

Sentient sorry that the way I phrase comments does not meet with your approval and you can’t stand the hypocrisy and intolerance of the left being called out.

He may well have been a shit husband.
Still no one has managed to give an actual examples of him being racist.

sorry - meant wouldn't denigrate other people's right to challenge. Bloody small screens and lack of editing capacity ...

With regards to Sainsburys, I think half the story is missing. Sainsbury's are going to intoduce "safe spaces" within their buildings which are only for employees who are POC. Anybody who appears to be white will not be able to access these spaces.

@nosswith

I'm disappointed the OP assumed a woman held the same political views as her husband, regardless of what they are.

Exactly, and not even husband- ex-husband!

@Tana433

I dislike Meghan Markle intensely. Nothing to do with her skin colour but just the fact that she is a massive manipulator who went out of her way to cause trouble within the Royal Family (not that i am a huge royalist either) She would have got on very well with her late mother-in -law as they had a lot in common. Both terrible trouble makers.

And this has what relevance to Laurence Fox?

SentientAndCognisant
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I dislike Meghan Markle intensely. Nothing to do with her skin colour but just the fact that she is a massive manipulator who went out of her way to cause trouble within the Royal Family (not that i am a huge royalist either) She would have got on very well with her late mother-in -law as they had a lot in common. Both terrible trouble makers

What has your hate of Meghan Markle got to do with this thread?

I googled her as I saw a movie featuring her and I wanted to watch it but wouldn't have watched it if she was anything like that Lawrence/Laurence, or whatever he's called.

You wouldn't watch a film in which one of the roles is played by an actor whose opinions you might disagree with? My God, life must be difficult for you. YABU.

Mariel the difference is everyone knows the far right are scum. I would think they would almost categorise themselves as such but the left continue to consider themselves the good guys.

I agree that he doesn’t seem to appreciate his class privilege. A far greater issue than race privilege in my opinion (thought the two are linked too)

He hates ‘tokenism’ and ‘wokeness’

’1917 definitely felt for me… I saw a woman with a baby saying “I don’t know what to do”. It’s a great scene and it’s amazing. And at no point did I think “why isn’t there a man holding the baby and saying I’m raising this child alone”.’ Metro

There’s just no need for deliberately challenging stereotypes ...

’Certain aspects of the family court system are difficult as a man. [It assumes women] are better nurturers and raisers of children‘ Daily Mail

@VinylDetective and @Roussette I think it’s because some of L Fox’s infamous Question Time appearance comments centred around how he believes people dislike M Markle and that it’s not necessarily to do with her race, they just dislike her as a person (or rather as a personally, since they don’t know her personally).

Have you noticed how much uglier he's got in recent years too? He's the physical embodiment of that Dahl/Twits thing about ugly thoughts making you look ugly

I cackled at this because it’s SPOT ON! it like the intolerance and racism is seeping out of his pores affecting his face!

Rousette because Fox’s political ‘career’ started when he was on QT and said that people’s dislike of Markle was not about race.

*as a PERSONALITY that should say, not as a personally

I dislike Meghan Markle intensely. Nothing to do with her skin colour but just the fact that she is a massive manipulator.

Who knows whether she's a manipulator or otherwise? You don't know her from Adam and neither do I.

If it's nothing to do with skin colour then why the need to protest that it's nothing to do with skin colour, and why drop her name into a discussion about racist behaviour that's not even remotely connected with her?

BP comes across as a good egg. I like her.

She’s brilliant in I hate Suzie.

@VinylDetective, someone mentioned that on Question Time Laurence Fox said that the reason people hadnt "fallen in love" with Meghan was nothing to do with her skin colour. I was merely agreeing and pointing out the reason why i dont like her . More to do with her personality than the colour of her skin.

He’s a dick. Yes, he has the right to his opinion - and we all have the right to our opinions. In my opinion he’s a dick. A dick who can’t sing.

LittleRa
I know, I saw QT but not sure that warrants a rant about how awful - supposedly - Meghan Markle is.

There's a thread on MN for that.

And also Diana?

Irrelevant on this thread

I'm not interested in cancelling Laurence Fox. Let him do that to himself (much as the odious Katie spit Hopkins has done).

I’m not a fan by any means, and granted he isn’t that handsome, but if a woman’s looks were being discussed In these terms the posts would be deleted.

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I know that... just not sure it warrants that post's comments on both Meghan Markle and Diana.

Funnily enough I have a (( black )) friend who hates black history month and her friends are the same. She calls it tokenistic bullshit.

I was a bit until she and her friend explained history and should be taught across the board. This still isn't happening. Instead they wheel out black history month once a year, give themselves a pat on the and carry on doing fuck all to alter the curriculum. Same old nonsense as when she was at school.

So now I'm against black history month too. Because things still aren't changing for the better and real history still isn't being taught the other 335 of the year. As long as that happens future generations will continue to be let down.

Cherry Re Sainsburys (quote function not working):

Well, not "cancel" in that case. We have a word for that: boycott.

Watched him on Triggernometry just yesterday. Was surprised to see him painted as intolerant, ugly, mentally unstable, and more here. Didn't know about the Sainsbury's crap but I stand firm. This hateful vitriol is horrific, damaging, and wrong. People can have opinions. Just avoid the spiraling frenzy of hate. Stop the "sides".

I get that I will be hated for saying this. Okay.

@Chicchicchicchiclana

I'm not interested in cancelling Laurence Fox. Let him do that to himself (much as the odious Katie spit Hopkins has done).

Agreed.