To think that one cannot be both a Catholic and a Feminist?

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Inspired by another thread on here, my husband and I had a lively debate about this earlier. I think that a Catholic person cannot also be a Feminist for many reasons, but among these reasons, that an anti-abortion stance is an anti-woman stance.
My husband thinks that a Catholic could be pro-choice and therefore be a feminist, or that a feminist might also disagree with abortion.
He is a cultural Catholic (now atheist), and probably took this stance because he'd like to think that his mum is a feminist. In the end, we agreed to disagree. I think it is a black and white issue and he would like to think there are grey areas.
Do you think there's a way that someone can be a Catholic and also a feminist?

@raddledoldmisanthropist I am thinking about a muslim girl who told me that: her cousin was set on fire, and that her brother had raped an eight year old girl, because his father had told him that "children were the best at sex".

So no I don't hate Muslims.

But do I think it is a religion that is causing a lot of pain and damage, the same as the Catholic church are? Yes I do

Why is everyone talking about abuse on children? I don’t know a single person who think it is ok. Those who did the abusing know it is horribly wrong and that’s is why they worked so hard on hiding it.

@blueberrypie0112 because the majority of scandals about the Catholic church is about their abuse of children?

It is what is most in the news about the Catholic church

I can change to another topic about the Catholic church that I am thinking about.

Why do the priests in Ireland live in such huge mansions with servants?

economically aswell, the church needs to be held accountable

[quote Sarahpaula]@blueberrypie0112 because the majority of scandals about the Catholic church is about their abuse of children?

It is what is most in the news about the Catholic church[/quote]
And baptists and Mormon (my dad is one btw, my mom is baptist) , the list goes on. Being in a southern state with many type churches around me, I am always hearing charges against them

Why do the priests in Ireland live in such huge mansions with servants?
They don't. You sound like an anti-Irish, anti-Catholic bigot with all the cognitive bias that being a bigot entails @Sarahpaula.

@DioneTheDiabolist I wish you would think before you write, as you sound so unintelligent.

How again am I anti Irish when I have an Irish mother, and I lived in Ireland for a long time. Are you one of those Irish people who just likes to say that "everyone hates the Irish"? That is a weird thing to say.
They certainly do live in very large mansions. The priest in my local village in IRELAND, yes as I said before, I lived in Ireland for a long time, lived in a massive, massive mansion with servants.

Do you actually live in Ireland? You don't seem to know about anything that goes on there.

Sarahpaula

Imagine if you'd said the things you have on here about Catholics about Jews or Black people. What you espouse is hatred based on your prejudices about a particular group.

Catholics are not responsible for every action other Catholics take. Catholics and Muslims are just people like any other.

I'm sure I'd agree with every criticism you might make of the RC hierarchy but you need to be able to separate that criticism from the people and the faith.

You must realise that it isn't right to come on a thread about an interesting question and attack a particular group like this. If you were talking about Jews MN would permaban you for it. I'm not a fan of banning and reporting, I like a good argument.

Hatred will eat you up, people are just people. Be like Elsa, let it go, let it goooo..... :-)

@raddledoldmisanthropist it is not like me having a go at the jews. i am not a jew and I don't know anything about them.

I grew up in a catholic family in Ireland, so I am more than allowed to complain about the Catholic church. Alot of people in Ireland are complaining about the Catholic church now. A lot of scandals have come out recently, and they are at the forefront of people's minds in Ireland.

Most of my generation in Ireland is doing the same thing as I am, turning away from the Catholic church.

How again am I anti Irish when I have an Irish mother,
I think your Irish mother and your issues with her may be a big part of the problem @Sarahpaula.

@DioneTheDiabolist weren't you going to give me the list of all the priests charged in the republic of Ireland for child abuse?

As you said that so many of them were

@DioneTheDiabolist You sound like a twelve year old when you say "I am against all of the Irish". Wha an idiotic and victim based thing to say.

Where is this list you were going to give me of all the priests that were charged of child abuse in Ireland? You said that loads of them were?

@DioneTheDiabolist how do you not know that priests live in mansions in Ireland? Do you actually live in Ireland?

I used to, I'm now back in NI. Priests live in the parochial house while they're in the parish and none have servants.

@DioneTheDiabolist well in my parish in the republic of ireland, the priest lives in a huge mansion, with servants.

Anyway I hope that the Catholic church improves in the future

@raddledoldmisanthropist

i think "how can ANYONE be a Catholic"

I imagine it's the same way that people can be in the Labour party despite Mao and Stalin's murder of millions, still be in the C of E despite the witch burnings, still live in Germany despite the holocaust, still be in the British army despite Bloody Sunday, be in the police despite Hillsborough or be Muslim despite the conquest of Spain.

Some people just don't want to accept that they are guilty by association because They Are All The Same Aren't They?

Are you sure you don't believe in original sin? You seem quite keen on it.

We get it, you don't like Catholics coming over here, taking our jobs and lowering house prices. Could you perhaps not go and start a thread about how all Jews are to blame for the actions of the government of Israel for a bit of variety?

Point of order: witches weren't burned under the C of E, they were hanged. Burning is what you do to heretics. Witches committed felonies.

They were burned in Scotland (even post Reformation) and of course across the continent, in both Protestant and Catholic areas.

Irrelevant aside over!

(PS: some of the strongest feminists I know are Catholic. You get a good old-fashioned radical nun: those women are not to be messed with.)

Where is this list you were going to give me of all the priests that were charged of child abuse in Ireland? You said that loads of them were?

I didnt say I was going to give you a list of anything ya eejit.🤣 You want to know about the priests charged and found guilty of child abuse? Google it, the internet is your friend.

How many servants does your parish priest have?

Point of order: witches weren't burned under the C of E, they were hanged. Burning is what you do to heretics. Witches committed felonies. They were burned in Scotland (even post Reformation) and of course across the continent, in both Protestant and Catholic areas.

You are dead right about the hanging, I misswrote in my haste to make a rhetorical point and appreciate the pedantry.

Few witches were killed in Catholic countries, the hysteria about them was largely a Protestant thing.

Were they still burning them when the proddies went all witch-crazy? I thought the papists had largely stopped by then?

How many servants does your parish priest have?

About half a dozen. All young women that tend to spend a lot of time in the hot tub with him in his mansion.

This particular cleric was once kicked up the arse by a Father Ted Crilly.

I think I remember that @raddledoldmisanthropist.🤔🤣

@DioneTheDiabolist you said to me " how do you not know that loads of Catholic priests were charged with child abuse in Ireland".

You said that right?

I am pointing out to you that you lied and are completely wrong. Very few priests have been charged in Ireland. so unless you want to back up what you said and give me a list of the priests that were charged in Irland, admit that you are wrong.

I am right. The vast majority of priests who raped children in Ireland have not been charged.

@DioneTheDiabolist you also said to me that my problems with theCatholic church, come from my mother,

Yes my anger and rage at the Catholic church has arisen from their treatment of my mother, I am sure that is a norma reaction.

My mother was paralysed with polio, as a ten year old. She was sent to a Catholic hospital in Ireland. There , the nuns beat her black and blue. They beat a severely ill and paralysed child In a hospital. They beat her up.
They also forced her to eat her own vomit.
She still has trouble using her legs properly in her seventies because of the severe beatings that she received as a sick child from priests and nuns. She walks with a limp, because one very bad beating damaged her leg.

Woud you be angry at the Catholic church after that? They beat up sick children in hospital beds. They were monsters.

Your lack of empathy is actually shocking,

@raddledoldmisanthropist

Point of order: witches weren't burned under the C of E, they were hanged. Burning is what you do to heretics. Witches committed felonies. They were burned in Scotland (even post Reformation) and of course across the continent, in both Protestant and Catholic areas.

You are dead right about the hanging, I misswrote in my haste to make a rhetorical point and appreciate the pedantry.

Few witches were killed in Catholic countries, the hysteria about them was largely a Protestant thing.

Were they still burning them when the proddies went all witch-crazy? I thought the papists had largely stopped by then?

I am delighted--usually pedantry gets things thrown at me (couch pillows, by my sisters).

It goes on surprisingly late, well into the 18th century. Not as much in England, which was never really one for witches anywayI think it's something like 300 witches killed in England over 250+ years, in comparison to c. 50,000 on the continent. Mostly we didn't do much witch-huntingmore sporadic, fewer circles (a couple of notable exceptions notwithstanding).

On the whole, not a clear religious divide. Spain executed relatively few but Poland rather a lot; Holland very few, but Scotland relatively many. Holy Roman Empire was the heart of all of it. Terrifying.

Actually, Scotland was mad about witches. Have you ever read James I's book on them? V weird. He imports some of the beliefs here when he arrived, but he couldn't/didn't change the law.

(I promise I am in no way obsessed with witches!)

Sarahpaula, I'm very sorry to hear that.