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To expect my dc to get a part time job?

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jobblewobble · 02/10/2020 09:38

My dc is now 16. She is showing zero interest in getting a part time job. Gets a total of £60 a month from me and her dad, so sees absolutely need.

Obviously she goes to school and she plays a sport two nights per week and one weekend day.

An opportunity has come about which I think would fit round this and she won't find a more local part time job, but she won't entertain the idea.

What would you do? Is it harsh to say "okay fine. X months more pocket money and then it's up to you?"

I didn't have a part time job in school, so feel that is hypocritical, but I also didn't have the social life, mobile phone bill, eyebrows that she has now. I'm happy to contribute and pay for things if she's making an effort too.

She did have a paper round last year, but that fell through when the shop closed.

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monkeyonthetable · 05/10/2020 16:51

And they have their whole life to work and earn and learn money management. My DC worked very hard at school but also learned instruments to Grade 8; one played a sport at National level; the other edited and wrote for several blogs. I'd rather they did this than stack shelves. They can stack shelves when they need the money but at 16, they were still exploring what they love to do with their time.

pointythings · 05/10/2020 17:09

The other big issue I have is with 16-year-olds getting jobs is that employers absolutely exploit these young people. They pay them shit wages, give them all the rotten shifts, cheat them out of tips and don't implement safe working practices. My DD2's friends all work or have worked part time jobs in our town because they need the money, and this has happened to all of them. Even big companies like Sainsburys treat their 16 year old part timers like dirt, though our local branch has a rep for treating everyone like dirt. It's not acceptable and it needs to change.

Janevaljane · 05/10/2020 17:11

absolutely pointythings dd got treated like shit at the local pub when she was 17.

dontdisturbmenow · 05/10/2020 17:12

I want mine to be free if those responsibilities and enjoy this time as adulthood brings lots of pressure at times
Except they don't really enjoy those work free years because they take them for granted not knowing any different.

One child worked in a care home and the the two others in supermarkets. They all quite enjoyed working but ultimately it made them realised that it definitely wasn't something they wanted to do all their lives and for this, they need to get good results and be proactive in planning their career.

Their friends were certainly not happier not working, if anything, they moaned much more about their school work.

Uni can be quite overwhelming for kids, but those who got used to the pressure of studying whilst working find it so much easier.

Of course there will be many kids who will do fine having no jobs until finishing Uni and will adjust to work life, but many will be overwhelmed and lack key essential skills employers are looking for.

pointythings · 05/10/2020 17:15

Except they don't really enjoy those work free years because they take them for granted not knowing any different.

Blanket statements like that are bilge. My DDs have watched their friends being exploited and treated badly in shitty jobs and believe me, they have absolutely appreciated the fact that they didn't have to work and were able to pursue their interests and put 100% into their school work.

dontdisturbmenow · 05/10/2020 17:16

And they have their whole life to work and earn and learn money management
They don't really. Most employers expect above level entry job applicants to have gained these skills already, they're not interested in facilitating that learning for someone in their later 20s.

I'd rather they did this than stack shelves
Well again, many kids manage to do this AND work. My kids were rarely home before 7pm and had occupations, whether it was work, sport or volunteering most weekends.

It doesn't have to 30h work, even a 8 hours Saturday job makes a difference.

dontdisturbmenow · 05/10/2020 17:21

My DDs have watched their friends being exploited and treated badly in shitty jobs
Why stay in such a job? This is not my experience at all, I don't know one teenager who has gone to a job they didn't half enjoy. Be in supermarkets, shops or MC Donald's. Those who worked hard found it rewarding.

Standrewsschool · 05/10/2020 17:24

I think it’s a bit much to expect her to get a job on top of her sporting commitments, homework and downtime. Also, it’s very hard to get a job when you are sixteen. There’s very few jobs out there for youngsters.

Maybe she could volunteer to assist coaching in her chosen sport for a session or two per week. My dc have done this and benefitted greatly. It’s not paid employment, but still instills all the qualities of a job (and maybe more).

monkeyonthetable · 05/10/2020 17:24

But my DC had sports and music practise for several hours on Saturdays and in the evenings after school. I'd rather they did that.

Wearywithteens · 05/10/2020 17:25

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monkeyonthetable · 05/10/2020 17:27

I do know teens who have got PT jobs, who work hard and earn a lot of money and get a massive amount of satisfaction from it. I'm not knocking it (maybe I sounded like I was.) I really admire them. But I also admire my DC for reaching Grade 8 in their instruments and national level sport. That took hard work and self discipline and commitment too. I'd worry if they just lounged around online and expected the world to hand them a living. But they work very hard. Just not at PT jobs.

honeyytoast · 05/10/2020 17:30

Yabu, she’s 16 not 19

pointythings · 05/10/2020 17:31

Those who worked hard found it rewarding.

Did you mean to be sneery there?

I live in a small town. There's a few branches of big chains and a few independent operators. The local McDonalds has a rep as a pretty good employer - but 16 year olds don't get a look in when it comes to working there, getting those jobs is pretty competitive. The others are all pretty shit.

It's nothing to do with your work ethic when your employer wilfully refuses to pay you hours you've worked, never allows you to take the leave you have aggregated, cheats you out of your share of tips and actively bullies you. You can work as hard as you can, if an employer is shitty, they're shitty. To be fair the town I live in isn't very nice

thevassal · 05/10/2020 17:34

I don't agree with all the posters saying she wouldn't have time for a job - I worked 6 hrs per week in Y11 and 18-20hrs per week in sixth form and got the best GCSE and AS grades the year (humblebrag - I've gone downhill since then!). Most of my friends were the geeky ones who got good grades and we pretty much all had part time jobs.

I learnt so much more from my part time job that I did from my actual education - how to manage time effectively, how to get on with people of different ages and backgrounds to me, when to follow orders and when (and how) to stand up for myself, the value of money, independence...! It also made it a lot easier to get further part time jobs to help fund myself through uni, and then even when I got my first grad job the hiring manager specifically said they'd sifted out CVs from applicants with no actual work experience.

I think your current position is good though - giving her a set amount but no longer topping it up so it's up to her to either budget better or decide to get some sort of job/extra funding - selling her clothes on Depop or something. Not having your eyebrows waxed and HD-ed isn't exactly going to ruin her life!

Wearywithteens · 05/10/2020 17:39

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LynetteScavo · 05/10/2020 17:51

I think it depends on the child. DS one didn't have a part time job until he was 21. He did say "I'm very grateful I don't have to have a part time job" but he didn't ever want ton buy anything.
DS2 has three part time jobs at the moment and has had a part time job since he was 14. DD is 15 and I think she should be able to get something, fingers crossed. If she can't though that's fine, but I won't be paying for eyebrows or manicures.

Centaurpede · 05/10/2020 18:09

I don't think she would have time to get a part time job as well as focus on her studies and her sport that she's already doing. She already has some experience of working so this together with her sport will be great for uni applications and cv etc.

Saz12 · 05/10/2020 18:12

I had a part time job from young. I enjoyed spending my earnings on whatever I wanted to (because they were MINE, not earned by my parents!). I learned about money and belongings vs time (“is this top worth 3 hours of work?”).
I found it easy to fit school work in around everything else. When I went to uni I had a term-time job, which meant I could afford to go travelling (no huge overdraft to repay...this was a long time ago now though!). Having done this through school it wasn’t difficult to juggle with uni work.

BUT so long as your 16-year-old doesn’t want to work, then you’re not going to get her to do so. It sounds like she has enough with her allowance not to need to, so why would she?

Delta1 · 05/10/2020 18:36

Yabu. She's in full time education. Plenty of time for paid work once she's finished that. She's only 16.

Graphista · 05/10/2020 19:02

I think @JunkCrumpet has a valid point about a job outside the home that she takes right now could well be taking a job/hours off someone who needs it to feed their family with so many job losses due to cv

I'm usually a great advocate of kids getting part time jobs at a youngish age but these are not normal times.

However, she could do more at home to "earn" the pocket money - what does she do currently?

All kids of high school age imo should contribute at home anyway, at the very least they should keep their own room clean and tidy, tidy up after themselves elsewhere in the home (eg after they've eaten/had a drink put the rubbish in appropriate bin, dishes in dishwasher or wash them up), and have at least one chore that is for the benefit of the whole household not just themselves.

But in these circumstances I don't see why you couldn't say to her she needs to step up more at home in order to receive the pocket money.

Is she appreciative of the pocket money? Tbh it's quite a lot! What does she use it for?

ny20005 · 05/10/2020 19:05

It's all about balance & teaching them life skills.

I didn't have a part time job when I was in school but I didn't have a phone, a social life that required money or any need for make up.

I appreciate that we're in different times now but if they are getting all their wants paid for, where's the incentive ?

From my friends, those that didn't have to contribute to living at home & had to earn / save for what they wanted , went on to have a better approach to money etc.

I had 2 friends that had parents who could afford to pay for everything for them & they had all their wages (when they started working after school / college). They are both rubbish with money & honesty are a bit entitled.

I agree op, stop topping her up & paying for her lashes & any extras she wants. She might then have an incentive or just learn to budget

Nat6999 · 05/10/2020 20:05

I had a paper round from being 13, Sunday mornings when the papers weighed a ton with the Sunday supplements. I also did babysitting for one of our neighbours for an hour each night so she could get off to work & until her husband came home. When I was 16 & on the dole I worked the coffee bar in the youth club I went to cash in hand £2 a day to supplement my £15 dole money.

Graphista · 05/10/2020 20:23

She found out her older cousin was working FT and paying dig money and she was stunned at the concept.

This - and the “expensive taste” rather suggests you’ve not done your job in preparing her for the real world!

Have you talked to her/discussed with her about how much bills etc cost? How much you work to give her that money? Have you taught her to connect money with work in a real sense ?

My first conversation with my dd on such matters came about a lot earlier than I’d have liked because of my ex winding her up on several occasions about the maintenance he paid (which he didn’t even pay regularly or in full each month and took several years until first payment!). He gave it “I pay £x every month to your mum for you that’s a lot of money she should buy you x y z from that” arse!

So I ended up having to explain that while it seemed a lot of money to her, it really wasn’t in terms of how much our rent and bills were and certain costs of hers. She had several hobbies at the time that she only thought of in terms of the weekly subs, but I pointed out to her there was also uniform and kit and equipment costs involved, travel costs etc.

Once I showed her it in black and white she understood better and didn’t listen to his nonsense on that subject again!

From that point on she was more understanding and appreciative of how I managed things for us.

Does your dd understand how much you earn? How much you have to pay out for essential costs? Have you taught her anything about budgeting? “Cutting your cloth”?

At the very least I would point out to her how many hours YOU have to work in your job to give her the money you do!

Babysitting is something she could do and study while sitting - loads of teens have done this myself included!

Phone - does she have latest model and top package? Personally I think if so that’s ridiculous and unnecessary - for anyone BUT an adult who earns the money and chooses to do this with the money THEY earned is different to a kid who has this thanks to someone else’s graft! If she has a contracted phone at the moment when the contract ends switch her to sim only (basic package - unless she chooses to top it up out of “her” money) and she has to keep that phone

The eyebrows DEFINITELY should be coming out of her money!

My dd upon finding how much it impacted her money taught herself to do her make up and actually got so good people were paying her to do theirs for special occasions! She made a mint when her friends were all turning 18!

fast fashion clothes that can only possibly be worn once. dd and her friends set up a “swap shop/co-op” type deal where they wouldn’t buy the exact same thing and then swap after they’d been worn. I also taught dd at a relatively young age (out of necessity in my case) how to repair and alter clothes to extend their wear. Friends of hers who would throw a jacket out if it lost a button! Were amazed at her and I turning old too short jeans into shorts or denim skirt, taking worn sleeves off an old top and either making it sleeveless or adding the sleeves from another old top where maybe the body was too short or ended up stained or something. Hell just hemming a skirt with wundaweb quickly cos the hem fell at a crucial time was fascinating to them. So many people - kids and adults are so wasteful with clothes now! Shoes too. I’ve always had metal heel tips added to our smart shoes as soon as they’re bought as the rubber/plastic crap that’s on even expensive shoes now don’t last 5 mins! One friend of dds was going to throw an expensive pair of trainers out JUST because the laces broke!! She had no idea (and neither did her parents!) that you could replace laces - and even get really funky ones! Dd introduces another friend to the wonder of elastic laces (friend kept wrecking her shoes by taking them off using her feet and not even loosening the laces)

@Ijustwantsomebees - to be fair we’re about to head into a likely massive global recession because of covid PLUS Brexit so getting any job is going to get much harder in a way we haven’t really seen since the depression.

I don't think some people realise just how hard you have to study if you want to do well in your exams nowadays actually, as someone who studied both pre and post internet I don’t believe that’s necessarily true. Plus standards are generally lower as far as I (and a number of my friends who are teachers/lecturers/professors) can see.

I worked from 14 part time (mix of babysitting, waitressing, retail), left school at 16 and worked full time plus evening classes to get my a-levels, from then I worked full time apart from when at uni and on mat leave, unfortunately ill health partly due to a bad car accident and serious mh issues have meant I’ve been unable to work for several years which I hate.

Dd has also worked since 14, she did very well at school until also leaving at 16 (not really her choice issues with the school which caused major problems re her disability) then she got a good full time job for a few years and she’s now moved away from home and is back studying again the plan being gaining a profession, and she already has one part time job and is looking for another/something for in the holidays.

The kids her age who’s parents didn’t expect them to work, either in or out the home and subbed them for everything are now having difficulty

A finding work

B keeping their jobs! Because they’re expecting everything handed to them and aren’t willing to do the shitty tasks that are part and parcel of ANY job!

One lass in particular that dd was very close to when they were much younger, has just been kicked out by her parents after losing yet another job because she is partying too much and keeps calling in “sick” when she has a hangover! They’re despairing at her behaviour BUT They’re responsible for how she is because her whole childhood she never had to take responsibility for anything. If she broke something they replaced it, if she asked for something she got it, if she was late/truant from school they excused it...

Yes that’s the extreme end and there has to be a balance but generally speaking at 16 they’re plenty old enough to at the very least understand money isn’t free and neither are the things it buys and to appreciate what they have and that they have those things thanks to the efforts of their parents.

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