to not believe Trump has Covid?

[GeorgeDavidson]

Well, MN, does he or doesn't he?

YANBU - no, he doesn't have it
YABU - yes he probably does, why would they lie?

Is this just some ploy to miss next debates and make him look 'tough' when he sails through it without getting ill?

For fucks sake Bathroom, stop it with the fake pearl clutching about the random 11 year old. If that’s the worst thing you’ve heard a pretty-teen say you’ve led a sheltered life. Stop with the obvious attempt to derail. It’s irritating. Trump would’ve give a shit if you caught Covid.

The first thing I thought when my partner said to me this morning "hooray Trump's got covid" was that it was rather convenient timing. He can emerge from this like a phoenix from the ashes just in time for the election. And he doesn't have to do any campaigning in the meantime. Boris got a lot of sympathy when he had it - Trump will too.

Oh please, you cannot look at everything that's happened in the last four years and say that Trump has not had an enormous impact

He cannot have enormous impact without Congress, and his ability to issue executive orders can be compromised by the federal courts.

Probably the biggest impact will be his Supreme Court picks. Which he can’t get through without the Senate.

The same right-wing faction controls the White House, the Senate and now probably the Supreme Court. Not much balance there

That‘s the choice of the voting public. The House switched during midterms, which is a fairly common thing to happen for a sitting president (Americans seem to like this arrangement).

And please stop repeating Trump's lie that he's just doing what Obama did with respect to family separation

That’s not what I said at all. I said to change things at the border, Congress has to actually legislate!

What Trump did was end ‘catch and release’ so migrants caught illegally entering with children would no longer be released into the US to wait for a court appearance. However, because of Flores (did u read it?), you cannot house minors in an adult detention facility, among other rules. To change Flores so you don’t separate families, you need Congress to enact legislation to house them together while they wait for their court date, which they have been remiss in doing.

@Mittens030869

How many 11 year olds in WW2 had to go to school to find a classmate or two wasn't going to school ever again ? Or saw what was left of their neighbours being picked out of the rubble a limb at a time after a direct hit ?

And I've no doubt that some of them wished that they were old enough to be in the army so they could fight back against the Nazis.

Instead they had to stay at home being a drain on British resources ...

@YesIReallyDoLikeRootBeer

For those who dont believe he has it, you must not know him very well. This is probably the WORST thing he could imagine happening this close to the election. He will have to isolate for 10 to 14 days. No rallies, No press conferences. Just stuck up in the living quarters with Melania for 2 weeks. He is a showman, he needs a crowd, and audience. There is no way he would fake this and hide away for that length of time.

I agree with this. Especially with all the campaigning. People forget he is not just campaigning for his job but others as well. Whether it be a new state govenor (why he has spent so much time in my state) or trying to help Republican Senators keep their jobs (another reason he kept coming to my state). There is absolitely no doubt in my mind that he has it and exactly where he got it from. Fayetteville, NC

For fucks sake Bathroom, stop it with the fake pearl clutching about the random 11 year old

The point is that it was a horrible thing to say and the PP should not be proud of it.

Imagine saying that about Obama, whose drone strikes killed hundreds of innocent civilians overseas. It would be rightly condemned, would it not?

Well we are all told how easy it is to catch so whether we like the bloke or not its not impossible

@HelloToMyKitty

Oh please, you cannot look at everything that's happened in the last four years and say that Trump has not had an enormous impact

He cannot have enormous impact without Congress, and his ability to issue executive orders can be compromised by the federal courts.

Probably the biggest impact will be his Supreme Court picks. Which he can’t get through without the Senate.

The same right-wing faction controls the White House, the Senate and now probably the Supreme Court. Not much balance there

That‘s the choice of the voting public. The House switched during midterms, which is a fairly common thing to happen for a sitting president (Americans seem to like this arrangement).

And please stop repeating Trump's lie that he's just doing what Obama did with respect to family separation

That’s not what I said at all. I said to change things at the border, Congress has to actually legislate!

What Trump did was end ‘catch and release’ so migrants caught illegally entering with children would no longer be released into the US to wait for a court appearance. However, because of Flores (did u read it?), you cannot house minors in an adult detention facility, among other rules. To change Flores so you don’t separate families, you need Congress to enact legislation to house them together while they wait for their court date, which they have been remiss in doing.

Every American has a role in what has happened at the border. Due to the way we voted.

@HelloToMyKitty

For fucks sake Bathroom, stop it with the fake pearl clutching about the random 11 year old

The point is that it was a horrible thing to say and the PP should not be proud of it.

Imagine saying that about Obama, whose drone strikes killed hundreds of innocent civilians overseas. It would be rightly condemned, would it not?

I wouldn't condemn it. I've had to treat the civilians from those drone air strikes and others made by my beloved Air Force. I don't know how Obama sleeps at night for that

@EternalOptimist7

DD11 came into the kitchen & said “ Good news - Trump’s got Covid! That’ll pay him back for all those people he didn’t help”. Out of the mouths of babes.....I wouldn’t wish it on anyone but maybe karma has paid a call here

Did she aye

I don't believe Boris had it either. It was a ploy to push the narrative of "I fought this disease and won" implying that anyone who dies was just a weakling who didn't try hard enough. 😡

My point Kitty is that the system of checks and balances only acts as a brake on presidential power if the other two branches are controlled by an opposition party. It does not automatically limit presidential power. The Senate is run by Republicans who are ride or die with Trump and they have already said they will confirm his Supreme Court nominee, giving conservative votes a 6-3 majority. So it's naive to say the American system limits presidential authority, it depends on the political situation at any one time.

If you read the fact check article, you can end the vast majority of family separation without new legislation. And you certainly don't need congressional approval to feed and house those children properly, get them medical attention, and prevent them being abused while in custody.

@dreamingbohemian

My point Kitty is that the system of checks and balances only acts as a brake on presidential power if the other two branches are controlled by an opposition party. It does not automatically limit presidential power. The Senate is run by Republicans who are ride or die with Trump and they have already said they will confirm his Supreme Court nominee, giving conservative votes a 6-3 majority. So it's naive to say the American system limits presidential authority, it depends on the political situation at any one time.

If you read the fact check article, you can end the vast majority of family separation without new legislation. And you certainly don't need congressional approval to feed and house those children properly, get them medical attention, and prevent them being abused while in custody.

You definitely need Congress approval to keep them housed and fed with decent resources. Congress controls the purse strings

If you read the fact check article, you can end the vast majority of family separation without new legislation

If by ‘end’ you mean a reinstatement of catch and release, that is no real solution. But we may just have to disagree on this.

@Squidwitch

I think the very fact that within minutes of hearing he had it, so many people are wondering if he actually has, speaks volumes about how easily the lies drip from his mouth. If he fakes this, then says he is fine, never felt better, he will be dooming countless gullible US citizens to illness or death by believing him. On the other hand, if he has got it, and gets really ill, it could swing the sympathy vote. As usual, a lose-lose situation for humanity.

Many parallels with our own dear leader in that first sentence!

@RafaIsTheKingOfClay

I think he probably does. While it would benefit him to miss the debates he has big issues with illness being a sign of weakness. I don’t think he has enough insight to realise why missing the debate is a good idea and admitting to having the virus would be a step to far. He could have said he had to quarantine because he’d been in contact with hope hicks and that would have got him out of the debate.

If he doesn’t have it I doubt he’ll be able to keep the pretence up for long.

This.

What’s not complicated is the hideous attitude of EternalOptimist child and she’s not even that embarrassed by it.

I wouldn't be either.

In child speak, it serves him right for being so unkind to others.

YANBU
Far too convenient.

It will turn out not to be Covid but Trumpvid, the only cure for which will be to self isolate in the White House for the next 4 years . . .

@bonbonours

I don't believe Boris had it either. It was a ploy to push the narrative of "I fought this disease and won" implying that anyone who dies was just a weakling who didn't try hard enough. 😡

Much as I detest and distrust Johnson, he looked dreadful when he emerged from hospital. Are you seriously suggesting that all the healthcare professionals involved in his care lied as well? There’s no doubt in my cynical mind that he had it.

I'm worried, he's a sneaky evil wannabe dictator.

Imagine blaming servicemen for standing close to you and giving you covid. I hope he's taking the bleach cure right now.

Boris definitely had it; all that wheezing and farting in public broadcasts.

I voted YANBU because there is a seed of doubt for me. I would not put it past Trump to lie about contracting the virus and showing how much of a non-issue it was. That’s the problem, isn’t it? We know there will be lies - we just don’t know which is(are) the lie(s). The lie could well be that he hasn’t previously had a milder version and now has a worse version. The lie could be he’s fine, when actually he’s requiring hospitalisation. That he has lied about having the virus is as good a lie as any of the others. They all have their benefits.

If he does have it, the problem is that he’s not going to be treated like the average US citizen, never mind those who are not citizens. Even if he gets a bad case, the threshold for his hospitalisation is going to be much lower than the average person. They’ll pull in the country’s leading doctors, there will be a team that is to take the findings from across the world to identify best possible treatment methods for him. They’ll throw everything they have at treating him. He will have whole teams dedicated to him and just him. He doesn’t have to worry about his medical bills and his standard of care will be second to none. All of which will fuel his delusions that this is nothing more than the flu and condemning Americans to more of his fuckwittery.

Although, I think the US has a lose/lose situation regardless. If he never caught (catches) covid, then it doesn’t spread as easy as ‘they’ say, does it? If he caught it in the beginning when treatment wasn’t as understood and actually died, that would have sent the country into panic. A lot of people here panicked when Boris when into intensive care (my grandma was remarking that if a young, healthy man like Boris could get it, what chance did she have ). If he got it earlier and survived, he’d have lifted all restrictions and told the US that they were full steam ahead. He gets it now, well then he survives and it adds to his heroic background for his loyal supporters and everything he’s been saying. On the very small chance he does die, this is going to result in god knows how many conspiracy theories from his supporters.

He does not have Covid any more than Boris Johnson had it. I still like Trump though. Not for his ideals but because he is prepared to stand up and be honest about himself which I had never witnessed in my life in the world of politics, or for that matter The News which we are spoon-fed on a daily basis. I'm choking on lies from the media these days