To ask if giving a false phone number is a thing?

[DuckyMcDuck]

Went to a cafe with a friend, we sat outside but she was asked for her phone number. Once we sat down, she admitted that she always gives a false number and so does everyone she knows.

Is this really a common thing? I haven't been in places very much but have always given my number when asked.

I dont see the point in giving a false number. What on earth is the contact asked for?

There is no reason in giving a false number as obviously track and trace wouldn't work!!

[quote JassyRadlett]@Tombero Much more likely to be trying to minimise no-shows - a lot of restaurants have been talking about the high numbers who book and then don’t show. When you’ve only got a single sitting and are turning people away because of reservations, the selfish cunts who don’t show up but don’t cancel the booking are the last straw for a lot of places.[/quote]
I think you were right as we still had to give our details at the meal.

I used the track and trace app and my friend gave her real phone number

You’re friend is an utter twank. She actually deserves to get ill.

For me, one of the most shocking admissions here is from the person Avocado who runs a business which is customer facing, and says she would not have a test if she was contacted (in case she was positive OR she would need to isolate.)

So she is happy to put profit over people's lives.
Her clients/ customers would assume it was safe to be in contact with her, yet she would know she could be infected (and asymptomatic.)

No doubt she would say it wasn't about profit but about keeping a roof over her head and food on the table.

Tell that to her clients who may die from the virus, or be ill and lose their income, or their loved ones.

I've always given a false number. I wouldn't answer an unknown call anyway so makes no difference

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I give a false number. It’s non of their business

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Don’t know anyone who gives a real number

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I’m fine with them not contacting me, I don’t care if someone the other side of the cafe tests + a few days later

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I don't know anyone who gives a correct name or number!!!

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Yes, have given the false number. Use real one but change one number so if they ask you to read again can remember it

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I always give a fake number.

What utter smug self-centred cuntery

I think you have summed it up perfectly Aridane

These self important people who won't answer the phone anyway - why bother having a phone?

What bloody idiots. I’m sure they’re the same people who then like to slag off the governments attempts to curb the virus.

This will be a reason the app is required. Stupid idiots.

Very glad I don’t know people who do that.

It is certainly dividing the nation. Fraud (which is possibly giving a false number) is probably not the right answer. It is a least lying which is still regarded by most people as a wrong.

I have not been to any cafe, restaurant, pub etc since February and do not own a phone that would take the app. So I am not faced with the same issues as others.

It wouldn’t even enter my head to give a false number! What if they need to trace you and you don’t know? And you then visit your Grandma? No, we must all try our very best to beat this virus.

The paper records aren't used by nhs track and trace

Who do you think they would ring?

Yes they are! A local youth football team... young lad tested positive ... secretary of the club was contacted and asked for the track and trace records for the training session the lad attended two days before his symptoms started. These were all in paper form and details were handed over

Our local pub had a positive customer, Track and Trace were not interested because unlike a sports team, they cannot know who the positive customer had any close contact with.... i.e did they stay in the pub for 10minutes, sitting on their own or were they in all night mixing with other customers?

In terms of hospitality, the paper forms are just something to make us feel like we are doing something "positive" to help.

This is where the App comes in, it does know and can act on that information.

No wonder we are having increasing numbers of lockdowns if people can't do a simple thing like honest and take some responsibility for their actions.

I'm clinically vulnerable to Covid but have no choice but to work in close contact with almost 300 children each week with no SDing and no real protection.

People may not know any family and friends who are vulnerable but what about work colleagues or their children's teachers, etc? Most parents won't know I'm vulnerable for example.

It's really simple.

If you want to go out and eat/drink in cafes and bars and restaurants- follow the rules.

If you don't want to follow the rules - stay home.

But don't go out there and willing/deliberately lie and put others at risk.

How are you putting others at risk if you don't have Covid?

Are people with an iPhone 6 deliberately putting lives at risk? They can't use the app.

How are you putting others at risk if you don't have Covid?

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Well?

If you are in a pub where someone has covid, and you catch it, if you get symptoms you self isolate, otherwise you carry on socially distancing, wearing masks and washing hands. That doesn't make you a risk.

Janevaljane

No that’s why you give your name and phone number. I went to a cafe and as I had just got a new phone and hadn’t downloaded the app yet they take your contact details instead - quite simple really!

Well?

Ok, how do you know you don't have it?
A negative test can only tell you that you didn't have it up to the point of the test.
Some people are asymptomatic and have it with no symptoms and still be infectious.
The incubation period is 1-11 days, the average is 5, so you can have it without knowledge or symptoms for up to 11 days and still be infectious.

The idea of track and trace is that if you develop symptoms and test positive, then anyone you've been in contact with in the preceding days is contacted so they are aware that they may be infected.
The whole point is that people are infectious between catching and showing symptoms, and if they're aware they've been exposed to the virus and may be infectious they self isolate for 14 days, or if they develop symptoms they are tested and self isolate until clear. It breaks the chain of transmission.

@Janevaljane what proportion of the population has an iPhone 6, what proportion of those are eating in cafes and visiting places that have track and trace?

What's that got to do with the fact that their are utterly selfish, self cantered, liars giving false information deliberately?

I thought it was the selfish liars this post was about, not iPhone 6 owners?

potterpoetterpotter

Why don't you set up a new email address just for signing in and give that. You can ditch it at some point but in the mean time you would still be contactable.

If you are in a pub where someone has covid, and you catch it, if you get symptoms you self isolate, otherwise you carry on socially distancing, wearing masks and washing hands. That doesn't make you a risk

God, the confusion and ignorance is scary.

@Janevaljane

Up to 80% of people with Covid have no symptoms!

The whole point of T&T is that if you are alerted to being somewhere with someone who tests positive, you then have a test yourself.

You can be a carrier and infect people even if you feel well and have no signs of it.

Out of the 700 students at Newcastle uni only 78 felt ill , yet the rest had the virus.

@Janevaljane This is for you. Read it- it might save a life or more.

What can the app do?
The app can detect when a fellow app user is nearby.

When two phones running the app are near each other, they will make contact through Bluetooth.

If they are close for a long enough time, and one of the two owners later shares a positive coronavirus test via the app, then the other will receive an alert.

Contact tracing app
You can also use the app to check in at venues - for instance, shops, bars, restaurants or places of worship.

Hospitality venues such as pubs and restaurants will be asked to display posters with a QR code, which app users will be able to scan.

The posters will also go up in communal areas of community buildings such as universities, hospitals and libraries.

Used alongside manual contact tracing, the app will help identify close contacts of a user who tests positive, or visitors to a premises that has suffered an outbreak.

Northern Ireland launched an app in July, while Scotland's app was launched in September.

How has contact tracing been carried out until now?
People who display coronavirus symptoms and test positive have been contacted by text, email or phone. England's NHS Test and Trace service calls only from 0300 0135 000.

They are asked to log on to the NHS Test and Trace website and give personal information, including:

name, date of birth and postcode
who they live with
places they visited recently
names and contact details of people they have recently been in close contact with
Close contacts are:

people you've spent 15 minutes or more with - at a distance of less than 2m (6ft)
sexual partners, household members or people you have had face-to-face conversations with - at a distance of less than 1m
Contact must have taken place within a nine-day period, starting 48 hours before symptoms appeared.

No-one who is then contacted will be told your identity.

Yes, I have the app! But lots of people don't, mainly those who can't run it on their phone and I don't have a problem with that.

It will be useless anyway like everything this govt has done so far!

Personally i think those that dont abide by the rules over covid if get it shouldnt be treated, that includes those that give wrong numbers!! no way of doing this though i DO realise that. this is exactly why we have not been able to control it. i work in a hospital and ive had it, i know how bad it can be.

We haven't been able to control it because it's a brand new virus that we have no immunity to. Not because someone went to the pub. It's not going anywhere.