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Will you be getting the COVID-19 vaccine?

208 replies

sloganhan · 01/10/2020 15:43

It’s looking like this vaccine will be here sooner rather than later. I’m not sure how I feel about it to be honest.

Will you be getting the vaccine?
YABU - YES
YANBU - NO

OP posts:
cbt944 · 02/10/2020 05:09

This is not a new virus - just a new strain but still from the old coronavirus.

Wut?!

Kazakaren · 02/10/2020 06:00

Surely as a pharmaceutical student you would know all this

Probably not a pharmaceutical student.

Windywendys · 02/10/2020 06:41

@Ophelia2020

Rolla you don't get to criticise anyone who chooses not to have the vaccine.

Nobody in their right mind would buy a car from a company who had billions of pounds in fines for producing cars that caused death or accidents. You are free to have blind trust in whatever company you want. Other people don't have to share that blind faith.

Agree 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
wasthataburp · 02/10/2020 06:44

@sloganhan

Given that it usually takes 9-10 years to safely produce a vaccine, I’m not sure if I would feel comfortable risking my families long term health especially my children.

The flu vaccine hasn’t eradicated the flu just like the malaria vaccine hasn’t eradicated malaria. I feel the vaccine may just offer us a false sense of security.

I agree. I won't be getting it or more importantly I will not be letting my kids get it for a number of years until we know more about it.
Windywendys · 02/10/2020 06:47

[quote Ophelia2020]Spider, Rebels concerns are valid and I'm getting a bit sick of anybody who has a worry being labelled a conspiracy theorist.Dont be so fucking obnoxious.

Assuming we're talking about the AstraZeneca vaccine trials there is plenty to be worried about.

£355 million fine for criminal charges relating to zoladex.
Another 520 million fine for Serequel.
198 million for schizophrenia drugs
60 million for patent rules misuse
Pricing fines 103 million.

Some lawsuits are still pending and I'd be here all night if I was to try to calculate how many people have died or been left seriously injured because of their products. That's a lot of people seriously harmed. And let's not forget that this company will probably be given immunity from any liability.

You have absolutely no right to call people a conspiracy theorist or dismiss their concerns as bull. Perhaps, in your vast experience, as a fucking student, you could explain what went wrong with these pharmaceutical products.

www.corp-research.org/astrazeneca

www.corp-research.org/astrazeneca[/quote]
When laws are out in place to stop pharma companies from being sued it takes away the need for them to be utterly compliant and honest.

There is a hundreds of billions of pounds winners prize for the first pharma company to get the vaccine first - that alone worries me. Especially after Fauchi admitted they would cut trials short if he had early promising results.

cocopops · 02/10/2020 09:24

[quote RollaCola84]@cocopops

You can’t criticise someone for following the course of action that’s right for them

Oh believe me I can[/quote]
If only we were as selfless as you then.

Pugdogmom · 02/10/2020 09:40

I really really want to have it, because I want life to get back to normal, but am still a bit concerned as to whether it is safe or not. DH is a shielder and has the same concerns.

Kazakaren · 02/10/2020 09:46

You can’t criticise someone for following the course of action that’s right for them

Oh believe me I can

Well true you can. But its not likely anyone will take any notice of you. They'll continue to follow the best course of action for them. Just like you will do for yourself Smile

MinaMurray · 02/10/2020 09:56

@SelkieQualia

Yes. There will be a small risk of late complications, but these are outweighed by the risk of late complications from infection.
^ this.

Will there be a risk of late complications from a vaccine? Maybe.

But we know that catching Covid brings it’s own risk of complications, including things like long Covid which can affect people who’ve had relatively mild cases. Covid hasn’t been around long enough for us to know what the long term effects or late complications might be.

So all things considered, by the time a vaccine has passed through all the safety trials, I’d personally consider the risks from a vaccine to be much lower than the risks of catching Covid-19.
Especially when considering that Covid is all over the place at the minute, so there’s a good chance most of us will catch it sooner or later without a vaccine.

Nanny0gg · 02/10/2020 11:34

When it's proven. Have no intention of being a guinea pig.

Oly4 · 02/10/2020 11:40

Yes of course I will, to protect both myself and other people!
And for anyone who’s interested, there is a huge alpha around from leading scientists explaining why no corners are being cut on safety.
The billions of pounds of investment means they’ve been able to run some stages in parallel - such as ramping up manufacturing capacity. These things take years normally

PicsInRed · 02/10/2020 12:13

I'll get in the queue - it'll be a long queue.

If loads of those in front of me drop dead, I'll exit the queue.

So...yes.

googlilocks · 02/10/2020 14:15

yes, because I don't want to get Long Covid complications which hits all ages let alone risking serious illness. Also the vaccination prevents me giving the disease to someone else who is vulnerable but cannot receive the vaccination

ddl1 · 02/10/2020 14:16

Yes - if and when we get one, I will have it as soon as possible!

spiderbride · 02/10/2020 14:31

@Kazakaren

Surely as a pharmaceutical student you would know all this

Probably not a pharmaceutical student.

You're quite right, it's pharmacology 😂

Not denying Astrazenica's record. Don't think it's entirely relevant when the eyes of the world are on them. Anyway, I'm out. If the antivaxx crowd are just going to fling insults I have better things to do tbh

ddl1 · 02/10/2020 14:36

I cannot think of another vaccine that we would willingly inject into ourselves (or our children) for a disease for which you have an enormously high statistical chance of having very mildly.

You want to know another disease for which people have an enormously high statistical chance of having very mildly? Polio. Most people who got it were asymptomatic or only mildly ill. But because some died or were permanently disabled, and because the virus was so contagious that huge numbers of people caught it, that still meant a very large number of deaths and people with permanent disabilities, and a vaccine was vital.

You want to know another disease which is usually mild or asymptomatic? TB. About 90% of people who are infected with it have no symptoms, and many of the others will have mild well-resisted cases. (My mum almost certainly did as a child, and she lived to be 96.) If you have an impaired immune system, it is much more likely to become severe or fatal; hence the advent of HIV made TB more of a threat. But, even without HIV, it is a serious threat, making a vaccine and other treatments vitally important, because it is so contagious and affects so many people. Even if the majority of people with an infection are not seriously affected, if 25% of the world's population has it (which is the current estimate for TB), it means a lot of serious and fatal cases.

By contrast, SARS has serious effects on a much higher proportion of those who get it, but because it's much less contagious, it was possible to get it out of circulation without the need for a vaccine.

What makes a disease serious, and the need for a vaccination important, is not just the severity and mortality rate among those who catch it, but those things combined with the number of people who do catch it.

FourPlasticRings · 02/10/2020 14:39

@ddl1 and yet they've stopped routinely vaccinating against TB in this country. I'm considering paying for DD to get one privately before she goes to nursery.

ddl1 · 02/10/2020 14:39

I did think this article was interesting as it suggests the vaccine won’t prevent infection, but merely lessen symptoms

Well, I'll take even that, as 'merely lessening symptoms' can mean life or death; or at least long-term illness versus a few days in bed.

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/10/2020 14:48

Spider - I had read the paper. It doesn’t say it’s potentially not linked but they are still confirming whether it was from the control or arm or vaccine arm.

That’s quite alarming considering that’s something they would know right away.

I'd imagine that's 20 minutes to find out which group, and 4 weeks of ethical discussions about confidentiality, privacy and breaking protocol because I assume it's double blind study and if you 'tell' the whole study is null and void.

MadameBlobby · 02/10/2020 14:52

@ddl1

I did think this article was interesting as it suggests the vaccine won’t prevent infection, but merely lessen symptoms

Well, I'll take even that, as 'merely lessening symptoms' can mean life or death; or at least long-term illness versus a few days in bed.

Exactly, might make it much more manageable
Blue565 · 02/10/2020 15:06

@ddl1

I did think this article was interesting as it suggests the vaccine won’t prevent infection, but merely lessen symptoms

Well, I'll take even that, as 'merely lessening symptoms' can mean life or death; or at least long-term illness versus a few days in bed.

This pretty much sums it up, with the vaccine it could effectively be as bad as a common cold.

I'm 100% happy to have one, I have understandable anxiety about unintended consequences further down the line... so I won't be first in the queue

MissConductUS · 02/10/2020 15:43

*I did think this article was interesting as it suggests the vaccine won’t prevent infection, but merely lessen symptoms

Well, I'll take even that, as 'merely lessening symptoms' can mean life or death; or at least long-term illness versus a few days in bed.

No vaccine can prevent a pathogen from infecting you. What it can do is prepare your immune system to attack it swiftly enough so that you are either asymptomatic or have a mild case and then clear the infection. A big reduction in case severity and sequelae is an ample benefit.

Ihatefish · 02/10/2020 16:14

Well being in a very low risk group I suspect it won’t be available to me for at least a year. I’ll possibly get it depending on any advice from scientists about the vaccine offered. I won’t be giving it to my primary school age child.

SomewhereEast · 02/10/2020 16:52

Yes - I'm personally very low risk and not at all anxious about getting Covid, but I totally understand the argument that immunising the wider population will protect high risk groups. I hope they don't vaccinate low risk under-18s though - I'm willing to take my chances with a new vaccine, but would rather leave DCs out of it.

Cooroo · 06/10/2020 18:32

Yes - tomorrow! Or it may be a placebo of course as I'm in the testing.

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