Will you be getting the COVID-19 vaccine?

[sloganhan]

It’s looking like this vaccine will be here sooner rather than later. I’m not sure how I feel about it to be honest.

Will you be getting the vaccine?
YABU - YES
YANBU - NO

No.

My reluctance is not really because of the apparently rushed timescale (although On the face of it that seems worrying) but because I cannot think of another vaccine that we would willingly inject into ourselves (or our children) for a disease for which you have an enormously high statistical chance of having very mildly.

This is a variant on the "it's just like the flu" nonsense. It's more infectious and has a higher fatality rate. And we have no long term experience with it.

www.healthline.com/health-news/why-covid-19-isnt-the-flu#More-deaths-in-a-shorter-span

A positive side effect is that it provides herd immunity to the vulnerable/those not able to vaccinate. Are people really so willing to risk the (albeit small) chance of side effects?

This will solve itself in that people at high risk will actively seek the vaccine and those at low risk will hold back. That effect alone will bring down fatalities pretty dramatically.

I am a pharmacology student. Almost everything you have said so far is a load of balls. Please put the conspiracy theory websites down for a moment and get some fresh air, or something

Well said. Thank you.

@LiveFromHome

No because I'm fairly fit and healthy, I don't routinely get the flu vaccine, and I'm happy to wait a few years to see if there are any short to medium term issues/side effects from the vaccine itself.

Agree . Never got the flu vaccine and never had issues. Not risking potential unknown longterm effects . Its gonna be a waiting game Im afraid

If we want to get back to normal I think people who can have it should.

I won’t be rushing to get it for several reasons, most of which have already been stated on this thread. It’s an entirely individual choice- some people will be happy to be vaccinated for this and others won’t. You can’t criticise someone for following the course of action that’s right for them.

I did think this article was interesting as it suggests the vaccine won’t prevent infection, but merely lessen symptoms (and before anyone jumps up and down, I am not a medical person- I include it simply as it was written by a Harvard professor so surely has some degree of veracity?)- www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/09/23/covid-19-vaccine-protocols-reveal-that-trials-are-designed-to-succeed/#663fed675247

It’s also interesting that the US trials are still suspended after one of the U.K. triallists became ill (Uk trials apparently have resumed).....

@cocopops

You can’t criticise someone for following the course of action that’s right for them

Oh believe me I can

Yes I will

Spider, Rebels concerns are valid and I'm getting a bit sick of anybody who has a worry being labelled a conspiracy theorist.Dont be so fucking obnoxious.

Assuming we're talking about the AstraZeneca vaccine trials there is plenty to be worried about.

£355 million fine for criminal charges relating to zoladex.
Another 520 million fine for Serequel.
198 million for schizophrenia drugs
60 million for patent rules misuse
Pricing fines 103 million.

Some lawsuits are still pending and I'd be here all night if I was to try to calculate how many people have died or been left seriously injured because of their products. That's a lot of people seriously harmed. And let's not forget that this company will probably be given immunity from any liability.

You have absolutely no right to call people a conspiracy theorist or dismiss their concerns as bull. Perhaps, in your vast experience, as a fucking student, you could explain what went wrong with these pharmaceutical products.

www.corp-research.org/astrazeneca

www.corp-research.org/astrazeneca

Spiderbride - the British medical journal is definitely not a conspiracy site

Rolla you don't get to criticise anyone who chooses not to have the vaccine.

Nobody in their right mind would buy a car from a company who had billions of pounds in fines for producing cars that caused death or accidents. You are free to have blind trust in whatever company you want. Other people don't have to share that blind faith.

Thank you @Ophelia2020

@Ophelia2020 I get to criticise whoever I want.

@Ophelia2020 I get to criticise whoever I want.

Then expect criticism back Rolla. Do some research. It's not hard ffs.

Voted no, but only because I've already tested positive for Covid (in March)

No, I'd rather risk covid than the vaccine. Not having flu one either.

@Rebelwithallthecause

Spiderbride - the British medical journal is definitely not a conspiracy site

I'm not going to dignify @Ophelia2020 with a response at this point and I don't suggest anyone else does either. Even if someone went through and addressed every one of the points you've made you'd still find ways to justify still worshipping the ground beneath Jenny McCarthy's feet or whatever. I just can't be bothered at this point.

Rebel, I never said it was, but if you'd read the actual article you linked instead of skimming the response letters, you'd see that the illness had not been conclusively linked to the vaccine at time of publication and that it hadn't even been verified whether the person was in the control group or not.

I will have it as soon as I can. Not just to protect me but the vulnerable and to help get us back to normal sooner. I’m comfortable that it will be safe.

I'm shielding because of my complex lung problems, but will not be getting it until I have read the Peer Reviewed evidence about it. Too soon and not even licences properly.

I don’t understand why people say that they won’t get it because it won’t eradicate the virus. The only virus we have eradicated is smallpox. It doesn’t mean there’s no value in vaccination for other diseases

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

I'm shielding because of my complex lung problems, but will not be getting it until I have read the Peer Reviewed evidence about it. Too soon and not even licences properly.

Um no not soon enough they need to hurry up with it

I'll sure as hell be getting it. If i wasn't currently pregnant, I'd be volunteering for the trials.

I'm not going to dignify @Ophelia2020 with a response at this point and I don't suggest anyone else does either. Even if someone went through and addressed every one of the points you've made you'd still find ways to justify still worshipping the ground beneath Jenny McCarthy's feet or whatever. I just can't be bothered at this point

I posted facts. Legal facts that are legally recorded and that neither you or anybody else can dispute. Anyone can google AstraZeneca and look for themselves. If you're seriously suggesting various courts are involved with some sort of conspiracy against them I suggest you come off YouTube and go and get some fresh air or something.

Is there a reason you don't want to discuss the sketchy history of Asrazeneca? Or the fines that they got for knowlingly burying important research? Surely as a pharmaceutical student you would know all this?

@GalaxyCookieCrumble

I'm shielding because of my complex lung problems, but will not be getting it until I have read the Peer Reviewed evidence about it. Too soon and not even licences properly.

And our government right now are trying to make it so that they can roll out the vaccine before it has a license

Taken from the uk gov website -

A temporary authorisation of the supply of an unlicensed vaccine could be given by the UK’s licensing authority under regulation 174 of the Human Medicines Regulations (see below). A COVID-19 vaccine would only be authorised in this way if the UK’s licensing authority was satisfied that there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate the safety, quality and efficacy of the vaccine. ‘Unlicensed’ does not mean ‘untested’: this temporary authorisation process exists to address the possibility that, in certain situations of public health need, the licensing authority may consider that the balance of risk and benefit to patients justifies the temporary supply of the relevant vaccine pending the issue of a product licence.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/distributing-vaccines-and-treatments-for-covid-19-and-flu/consultation-document-changes-to-human-medicine-regulations-to-support-the-rollout-of-covid-19-vaccines

Spider - I had read the paper. It doesn’t say it’s potentially not linked but they are still confirming whether it was from the control or arm or vaccine arm.

That’s quite alarming considering that’s something they would know right away.

Other countries have kept their vaccine testing on hold because of this because of how bad a reaction it is and how they will not know if it’s affected all members or not yet.

Yes. There will be a small risk of late complications, but these are outweighed by the risk of late complications from infection.