Presidential Debate season, let's stand strong together! (Trump thread #105)

[Roussette]

Here we are!

Last thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4012464-The-Disunited-States-of-Trump-Trump-Thread-104?watched=1&msgid=100447404#100447404

From the article -

'As I wrote in an Al Jazeera opinion column earlier this month, if you are an “undecided” voter in the face of Trump’s soul-and-synapse-shattering, nearly four-year-long cavalcade of craziness, perjury, and criminality then, my goodness, you have either been in a self-induced coma or some form of witness-protection programme'

I think "exasperation" sums up an awful lot of the response to this debate.

It may have been best expressed in Biden's quiet, weary, "do shut up, man," at one point when Trump was raving on.

It was pretty much a shit show, wasn't it? Wallace and Biden both tried to 'stick to the rules' but Scrotus was just determined to run amok.

As far as future debates, that decision will have to come directly from the debate cmte. Neither candidate will refuse as their opponent will have a heyday with it. But honestly, I think they should put them both in sound booths and give the moderator the power to cut the sound when it's not their 'turn' to speak.

I haven't even turned on the morning news yet (7 am here). Gonna finish up my lovely morning coffee & toast first.

I ought to clarify my comments on having a President from one party and a VP from another. I wasn’t referring to in a “normal” (whatever that is these days) election, but more a situation a la The West Wing where a sitting VP resigns/dies.

As far as I’m aware the new VP can be absolutely anyone chosen by the President under the 25th Amendment (yes I had to Google it!) but that the nomination must pass the House and Senate vote. Hence why “Bingo Bob” ends up as Bartlett’s VP when Haynes is forced to resign, because the Republicans refused to confirm any Democrat that was strong enough to contest a Presidential election.

They also refer to the idea of nominating Republican Arnie Vinick as VP for Democrat President-Elect Matt Santos when Leo McGarry dies on Election Night.

Sorry to keep referencing The West Wing, but it is my sole source of information on US politics 😂

“Haynes” should be “Hoynes” there, stupid autocorrect. I know my TWW characters goddammit!

Thanks for the new thread Roussette.

www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-09-29/biden-trump-first-debate-opinion

Oh gosh! I forgot to say Thank you Roussette for starting a new thread!

No thanks needed!

good to see you all on here!

Biden have been a senator since 1996, he have more experience of what’s going on than Trump. He have a record of what kind president he would be just by looking what he approved and disapproved. I don’t see any of that with Trump other than his rambling 4 years of president. It’s a shame people rather choose him. Honestly, he is using his presidency to pave a path for his legacy instead paving it for Americans.

americanindependent.com/donald-trump-2020-election-debate-reaction-disaster-fox-news/

'Everyone — even Fox News — says Trump's debate performance was a disaster.'

www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512

www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/the-man-who-wouldnt-shut-up/ar-BB19ynzw

Will that be Haynes' US Presidency: Owners' Technical Manual, or the US Presidency: Enthusiasts' Manual, CaveMum?

"Donald Trump ruined the biggest layup in the history of debates by not condemning white supremacists," said Fox News host Brian Kilmeade. "I don't know if he didn't hear it, but he's gotta clarify that right away.

He heard it just fine, and he clarified that with his shout-out to the Proud Boys shortly afterwards. I conclude that Brian Kilmeade wasn't really listening.

I tried to watch some clips but I can no longer bear to look at or listen to the orange turd:(
I hope the orange turd will go off somewhere with it's beloved proud boys, he can be king of them, I'm sure they'll all be very happy

They'll have to wait until he comes out of jail for tax fraud.

Never felt more despondent about this. The right wing fantasists that Trump legitimises are getting worse. Absolutely horrible.

@PerkingFaintly

Will that be Haynes' US Presidency: Owners' Technical Manual, or the US Presidency: Enthusiasts' Manual, CaveMum?

😂😂😂

While I’m still wittering on about TWW, here’s Aaron Sorkin on how he would write Election Night 2020. If only wishes were horses.

CaveMum

I wish US politics was more like the West Wing. They had some decent Republicans there.

I do love people justifying his response to comdemning white supremacists , as "mispoke" or "misheard".

His whole game plan was to prove that Biden is senile, but his defense is he couldn't hear or couldn't speak????

Really appreciating these threads, thanks all.
Biden may not be ideal but as everyone who has anything to do with Trump is tainted - even by opposing him - he’s the only feasible pick as the Dem candidate. Anyone younger would be destroyed by it and their career would be in tatters. Biden in some sense is the the ultimate fall guy. I hope he wins and is able to do some good before retiring/withdrawing and handing over to the next generation so it can redeem the USA.

My brother reckons he might "retire for health reasons" and leave Kamala Harris in post after eighteen months or so.

That's what I believe too. I said as much to DH this morning. I do think she will be President eventually - either by default or under her own steam. Or maybe by both. 8 years

Being as unfamiliar with US politics as I am, are there any young up and coming senators/congressmen/women who look to have a bright future?

Obama was marked out as a future Presidential candidate a good 5/6 years before the rest of the world knew who he was from what I understand.

I did have hopes for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez but she’s turned out to be far too “woke” for my tastes and this will probably be her undoing.