To miss E?

[CroutonCrab]

Might be all the stress in the world at the moment but it’s made me think about what I’d give for a couple of doves and the clammy hands that come with them. Don’t think my heart could take it now

I think the legalisation argument is weak. To provide it legally, providers will have to produce fairly weak products and the gangs will just keep producing garden and harder stuff to keep their profits. It is too lucrative for them

But I can walk into a shop and buy drink which can vary between 3% weak ale to 40% spirits or stronger. Is there a black market in this country for alcohol? Absolutely none at all.

Legalisation will remove the risk of buying tainted drugs and would have a big impact imo on fatalities.

Legislation also removes the funding of criminal gangs.

@Lonelycrab

I think the legalisation argument is weak. To provide it legally, providers will have to produce fairly weak products and the gangs will just keep producing garden and harder stuff to keep their profits. It is too lucrative for them

But I can walk into a shop and buy drink which can vary between 3% weak ale to 40% spirits or stronger. Is there a black market in this country for alcohol? Absolutely none at all.

Legalisation will remove the risk of buying tainted drugs and would have a big impact imo on fatalities.

Sing this from the rooftops!

Places where alcohol is illegal have many deaths due to illegally brewed alcohol that is deadly.

Too much methanol in it, I think?....

Bing Spear, Home Office spoke about legalisation being the answer.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-53624507

More deaths from illegal booze...

170 died in one incident alone. Prohibition causes deaths and also gives huge profits to illegal drug producers.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-47341941

Today 12:47 Ylfa

Fuck me. I’d rather look old than attach any sort of judgment to how old I think other people do or don’t look!

Sorry I Disagree looking young , for and healthy as you age is very important. I’m not judging but these were hard core users back in the day and they all look rough , and one posts constantly about health problems. The ones I know who didn’t do Drugs all look so much more vibrant and have aged better. It’s truth. Not judgement , you can have a blast with getting off your rockers every weekend.

To be fair I am actually seriously old and quite pleased to have made it this far so it would be highly invalidating not to look my age - why’s it important to you to look healthy though? What if you have a highly visible disability or condition? 😐

Have name changed for this post.
My close family member who is a judge says the war on drugs cannot be won and will never be won and the only way to lessen the impact is to legalise.

lots of current research into therapeutic use of psychedelics, MDMA for all kinds of stuff - PTSD, addictions, anxiety
LSD /Psylocibin for depression, end of life anxiety, etc

not as in taking a handful and partying, but in a therapeutic and supportive practice.

Microdosing on mushrooms can get you through the winter with SAD much better than many things

I'm sure pharmaceutical companies could make a 'safe' MDMA with all the quantities that make it so popular and minimizing the risks as much as possible. Government licensed outlets could then sell it. I know, some people would probably still die from this, just as people die from drinking alcohol or eating peanuts or riding houses. The risks would be reduced though, young people have a great time without kicking anyone head in at the end of the night and the criminal aspect is massively reduced.

I believe there are some international laws that tie the government hands to some extent on this (this Gov obviously wouldn't care about that though) but apart from that, please explain why that would be worse than the situation we currently have with ecstasy? Genuine question for those who oppose any form of legalisation. I don't have a settled view on this.

Does anyone know the effect of ecstasy on a fetus? I'm assuming it can't have Thalidomide like affects otherwise we'd know about it but it might well have fetal alcohol syndrome like problems or other birth defects.

I am not anti legislation per se - I just don’t see it as a panacea - rather I think we have to ‘manage’ it.

I don’t see what would stop suppliers manufacturing harder stuff for money. They will find a way to retain what is for them a lucrative business. Instead, I think we should focus more on educating people about natural highs (sports, etc) good mental health strategies from a young age, some structured resources for travelling, camping, exploring nature, at home and abroad and responsible attitudes- all sounds boring u til you do it and realise that it’s not.

Drugs to me, are a false way of achieving something you can naturally have.

I know that cocaine use in pregnancy causes a disorder in the foetus. I wonder about sperm and the effect drugs must have on the quality.

Little bit of googling tells me, as expected, it's bed for unborn babies.

Might sound weird but I'm sad our kids will never know a proper rave

And no YANBU

I am not anti legislation per se - I just don’t see it as a panacea

I don't either, but we've had decades of drugs education and it hasn't worked because I think the bottom line is that drugs are fun. As for companies producing harder strains, well most, people might not want that. People have always had the opportunity to take ten Es if they want, for the most part they don't because they don't want to.

Taking E seems to be something the vast majority of people sort of grow out of, as evidenced by this thread.

Drugs to me, are a false way of achieving something you can naturally have.

To me, that is an utterly meaningless statement.

@namechangedforthisagainnow

Have name changed for this post. My close family member who is a judge says the war on drugs cannot be won and will never be won and the only way to lessen the impact is to legalise.

That is probably the view of many in the Legal system...Those at the Coal face.

If people want drugs... there will be a ready illicit market to cater for that need.

But no trades descriptions, or ability to return a dud product.

Illegality plays into the hands of some really unpleasant people.. Especially heroin/cocaine as the profits are go great.

''Criminal'' by Caspar Walsh is a very good book...I met him at a work event before he wrote his book.
A charming and eloquent bloke whose dad was a heroin/coke/weed dealer.

@KenDodd

I am not anti legislation per se - I just don’t see it as a panacea

I don't either, but we've had decades of drugs education and it hasn't worked because I think the bottom line is that drugs are fun. As for companies producing harder strains, well most, people might not want that. People have always had the opportunity to take ten Es if they want, for the most part they don't because they don't want to.

Taking E seems to be something the vast majority of people sort of grow out of, as evidenced by this thread.

Very true. There are people who specifically want gentler types of weed..They don't want their heads spun out, or to be throwing a 'whitey'.

Re E people do grow out of it as they get older as their bodies can't cope as well...the racing heart, or the fierce dancing.
The knees and hips can't take it.

A Dr had hip replaced but in palmy youth danced hard and long...probably stopped at 45.

@KenDodd

Does anyone know the effect of ecstasy on a fetus? I'm assuming it can't have Thalidomide like affects otherwise we'd know about it but it might well have fetal alcohol syndrome like problems or other birth defects.

This thread has gone downhill

This thread is disgusting. People have had their lives ruined and it's not exactly ethically sourced.

@KenDodd

Little bit of googling tells me, as expected, it's bed for unborn babies.

Most sensible women don't even take paracetamol or travel sickness pills when pregnant, much less an E or other illegal drug. Nobody with a modicum of common sense take any substance that will cross the placenta..And that includes booze.

Women with physical addictions are given help with substitute prescribing if they are pregnant, but ''party'' drugs are different to drugs with physical addiction.

My partying days in Manchester in the late 80s early 90s we're severely curtailed/made much safer by working as a nurse. Will never forget seeing people lose limbs by compromising their blood supply while injecting drugs. Sex workers with severe infections who left hospital straight for the street corner to get money for drugs. Working on an 18 year old in cardiac arrest after taking E. Not a happy outcome.

This thread has gone downhill

Sorry

I actually think it's been quite good to have a fuller picture though. My days clubbing were the best, happiest years of my life, I wouldn't change it for the world and have (apparently so far) suffered no ill effects. I don't know anyone who has, most of us moved on got married, had kids and haven't taken drugs for twenty years. I know that's not the complete picture though. I wouldn't want my children to lead the life I led, but I do wish there was a safe(r) legal version of E they could take so they could have the nights out I had while they're young. Just like I'd like them to go back packing around the world when young which is also not without its dangers.

This thread is disgusting. People have had their lives ruined and it's not exactly ethically sourced.

People are talking about their experiences of youth. Sorry you have a problem with that.

@Woundedadmiral

This thread is disgusting. People have had their lives ruined and it's not exactly ethically sourced.

Have you ever bought anything from primark or similar?