To think why this is one of the reasons we have an obesity problem.

[Delamalama]

Friend on facebook has put about 2 stone on this past year. She posted a selfie the other day with a statement saying how she's finally learning to love herself, she may not be perfect but it's her body and she loves it!!! She's on the verge of being obese and suffers with chronic backache. Of course she had comments saying 'looking good hun' 'you beauty!' Etc.

I've noticed quite a lot of younger ones doing this 'be fat and proud' crap.

Am I wrong to think that this along with many other things is why we have an obesity problem.

You don’t have to advocate for anyone but please don’t pretend to care about fat people’s “health” when really you mean your own aesthetic healthcare costs to the general public (which incidentally would be far lower if everyone was treated equally.

By the way, as a ‘reformed’ fatty myself, I know how hard it is not to think we have all the answers to a very complex problem but we don’t

Sorry, that doesn’t read well. I was eating my dinner with one hand and typing with the other #glorifyingobesity

@Eckhart having looked at your posts on this thread and others I do still think you push low carb as "obviously" better with the subtle implication that those of us who don't agree are ill educated on the matter, simply because we disagree.

I'll apologise for a genuine mistake, I won't apologise for holding a different opinion.

Op re your post at 1606 not all of us that are overweight CAN run/exercise, I can't run now due to my disability mainly and I'm limited what exercise I can do and am frequently cautioned by gp on "overdoing it" even with necessary activity.

Prior to accident I was a runner and really enjoyed it, I miss it.

Op - access to proper, non dismissive healthcare is pretty much reserved for mentally healthy middle aged middle class white men!

There are HUGE issues with nhs staff and services discriminating against women, non white patients, working class patients, patients with a mh dx.

As a working class, mentally ill woman myself with chronic physical conditions I've had to fight for years, sometimes decades to even get tests for I feel really strongly that the nhs isn't working as it should for the majority!

Fat people don't get access to proper healthcare? Give an example.

I have several personal examples of when hcps at gp surgeries have dismissed symptoms of completely unrelated conditions, misdiagnosed and mistreated me simply because I am fat!

Endometriosis - nothing to do with being fat! Had it since I was a slip of a 14 year old

Asthma, eczema and hay fever - nothing to do with being fat! Had them all my life

Allergies - nothing to do with being fat! Had several all my life

My disability - nothing to do with being fat! Caused by a dick texting while he drove! Slim at time of accident, nature of disability is degenerative regardless of weight of patient

Ibs - I actually think this is a misdx that has remained on my records as there is endo and scar tissue on my bowels and stomach which may well be the cause of the symptoms. First diagnosed as a very skinny 16 year old. Symptoms also much reduced since I went veggie. Did so for ethical reasons but following certain incidents where I became very unwell and later learned I'd accidentally consumed red meat products and remembering how I was after a red meat rich meal as a child plus the research that now shows red meat affects bowel health... I suspect I'm perhaps intolerant/allergic to it.

Currently my gp surgery is mainly doing phone consultations, the DIFFERENCE even when dealing with gps who've seen me before (but clearly have forgotten I'm a fat patient!) has been AMAZING! SO SO much better than usual! They're listening better, less dismissive, more engaged and not blaming my weight for every damn thing!

PLUS there's tons of research that backs up discriminatory hcp practice

[quote Graphista]@Eckhart having looked at your posts on this thread and others I do still think you push low carb as "obviously" better with the subtle implication that those of us who don't agree are ill educated on the matter, simply because we disagree.

I'll apologise for a genuine mistake, I won't apologise for holding a different opinion.

Op re your post at 1606 not all of us that are overweight CAN run/exercise, I can't run now due to my disability mainly and I'm limited what exercise I can do and am frequently cautioned by gp on "overdoing it" even with necessary activity.

Prior to accident I was a runner and really enjoyed it, I miss it.

Op - access to proper, non dismissive healthcare is pretty much reserved for mentally healthy middle aged middle class white men!

There are HUGE issues with nhs staff and services discriminating against women, non white patients, working class patients, patients with a mh dx.

As a working class, mentally ill woman myself with chronic physical conditions I've had to fight for years, sometimes decades to even get tests for I feel really strongly that the nhs isn't working as it should for the majority!

Fat people don't get access to proper healthcare? Give an example.

I have several personal examples of when hcps at gp surgeries have dismissed symptoms of completely unrelated conditions, misdiagnosed and mistreated me simply because I am fat!

Endometriosis - nothing to do with being fat! Had it since I was a slip of a 14 year old

Asthma, eczema and hay fever - nothing to do with being fat! Had them all my life

Allergies - nothing to do with being fat! Had several all my life

My disability - nothing to do with being fat! Caused by a dick texting while he drove! Slim at time of accident, nature of disability is degenerative regardless of weight of patient

Ibs - I actually think this is a misdx that has remained on my records as there is endo and scar tissue on my bowels and stomach which may well be the cause of the symptoms. First diagnosed as a very skinny 16 year old. Symptoms also much reduced since I went veggie. Did so for ethical reasons but following certain incidents where I became very unwell and later learned I'd accidentally consumed red meat products and remembering how I was after a red meat rich meal as a child plus the research that now shows red meat affects bowel health... I suspect I'm perhaps intolerant/allergic to it.

Currently my gp surgery is mainly doing phone consultations, the DIFFERENCE even when dealing with gps who've seen me before (but clearly have forgotten I'm a fat patient!) has been AMAZING! SO SO much better than usual! They're listening better, less dismissive, more engaged and not blaming my weight for every damn thing!

PLUS there's tons of research that backs up discriminatory hcp practice

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Sorry to hear that, I can't imagine life without running, how awful for you.
Thankyou for explaining. I guess some medical people just see overweight patients and put everything down to that.

@Pachonga

You don’t have to advocate for anyone but please don’t pretend to care about fat people’s “health” when really you mean your own aesthetic healthcare costs to the general public (which incidentally would be far lower if everyone was treated equally.

By the way, as a ‘reformed’ fatty myself, I know how hard it is not to think we have all the answers to a very complex problem but we don’t

I have never pretended to care about fat peoples health. When did I say I do? I was asking if posting a selfie of yourself with 2 stone extra and getting lots of likes and positive comments is advocating that it's ok to be overweight? And if this is just one of the causes of obesity?

Graphista

with the subtle implication that those of us who don't agree are ill educated on the matter, simply because we disagree

I have no idea how educated you are. Leave off with saying I'm implying unpleasant stuff. Why is it ok for you to openly criticize me but not ok for me to say things that you interpret as negative implications?

I'll make my point to you once and for all: I think that a low carb diet is an effective way to lose weight, and it has significant scientific back up which is being silenced because it threatens major food corporations. That's it.

Never have I said that anyone else is wrong/other diets don't work/my view is superior to that of others/people who don't agree with me are ill educated. Nor have I implied such.

You, on the other hand, have openly said that fat doctors can't possibly advise people on diet, because they're fat. And then accused me of judging people by their weight. Sod off!

Thanks op.

I would say in normal circumstances MOST hcps as soon as they see you're fat put whatever symptoms you're reporting down to that

@Eckhart I apologised for the judging comment as that was a mistake

But anyone looking at your posts on low carb across this site, would I think, believe that you consider it to be the best and only sustainable way to lose weight and you can come across as less than open minded when advocating it

Why do you keep on at me Graphista?

Stop tagging me.

Leave them alone they have enough on their plate

Why can’t people be proud of their bodies ?
We all know we should be a certain weight health wise , but we can still accept our bodies and be happy with them

It's great that people who are big can feel and look good so YABVU.

Good on her

People saying I look good doesn’t make me fat. Disordered eating, depression no and an unhealthy relationship with food makes me fat. It’s about more than just changing diet and exercising it’s a mental battle that I fight every day.

Her friends are not helping her by telling her how great she looks two stone fatter. All this "love your curves" crap is just normalising obesity and will buckle the NHS.

I wasn't any healthier with a BMI at 15 than I am with a BMI st 28.

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Clinically impossible. Mentally reassuring, but clinically impossible.

I was way more unhealthy as a size 4 than I am now at a 12-14 - I smoked took speed and I was anorexic - now I am chubby but eat well and exercise regularly - so yeah it is ‘ clinically possible’

It's never fine to be overweight, it leads to poor health. But it's also not fine to have mental health problems and I think the whole 'love yourself' trend is a good one

Why do weird people resurrect old threads just to froth some more??

@grassisjeweled

I wasn't any healthier with a BMI at 15 than I am with a BMI st 28.

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Clinically impossible. Mentally reassuring, but clinically impossible.

A BMI of 15 is extremely dangerous and impacts immunity, fertility, cardiovascular health and is linked to osteoporosis. Someone with a BMI of 28 is healthier

I don't think it's a case of 'fat and proud' as much as 'fat an unashamed', which is different. I really don't see this attitude responsible for making obesity aspirational.

Being overweight is very damaging to health, but so is low self esteem, self loathing and feeling like a second class citizen because of your weight. No-one should feel or be made to feel like that.

Have you considered that you might have an asshole problem?

I really hate your attitude OP. It's so fucking simple in your smug little world isn't it. I don't believe that you used to be overweight and lost it just like that. Please stop starting horrible, horrible threads like this.