To think why this is one of the reasons we have an obesity problem.

[Delamalama]

Friend on facebook has put about 2 stone on this past year. She posted a selfie the other day with a statement saying how she's finally learning to love herself, she may not be perfect but it's her body and she loves it!!! She's on the verge of being obese and suffers with chronic backache. Of course she had comments saying 'looking good hun' 'you beauty!' Etc.

I've noticed quite a lot of younger ones doing this 'be fat and proud' crap.

Am I wrong to think that this along with many other things is why we have an obesity problem.

I am fat. Always struggled with my weight.
But I am happy. Lovely husband, good job, own home and 4 great kids. Lots of friends and family.
I'm healthy ( although I am aware that this may change if I don't lose weight)
I have good self esteem... don't try to be something I'm not and others opinions are their opinions...Not my problem.
There are much worst traits to vilify than carrying extra weight.

Maybe the demonisation of a carb is the new demonisation of the fat? If you know what I mean🤔

All you people who say it's about our health, do none of you ever do anything unhealthy?🤣

^Everyone eats something unhealthy🤷🏻 obviously. Even healthy thing can become unhealthy in a certain amount^

I didn't say do you ever EAT anything unhealthy? I said do you ever DO anything unhealthy?

I think you should mind your own business!

@eaglejulesk

We seem to have lost sight of what a normal portion is

I agree.

What ingredients do you think mothers used in the baking

I don't think they used a lot of sugar in the main courses, which is what we have in a lot of pre-prepared foods now. I also don't think it was common to spend the evening eating carbs/sugar in front of the tv, on top of 3 meals per day plus snacks. That's fairly common now, too.

@NoMoreReluctantCustodians

All you people who say it's about our health, do none of you ever do anything unhealthy?🤣

^Everyone eats something unhealthy🤷🏻 obviously. Even healthy thing can become unhealthy in a certain amount^

I didn't say do you ever EAT anything unhealthy? I said do you ever DO anything unhealthy?

Ahhh. My bad.

Everyone does something unhealthy🤷🏻 obviously. Even healthy thing activity become unhealthy in a certain amount

@SchrodingersImmigrant

Maybe the demonisation of a carb is the new demonisation of the fat? If you know what I mean🤔

Yes. It's almost as if 'the science' (which we know is always changing, thankfully, advancing) is the new religion complete with its own system of asceticism and punishments (don't do it and you'll DEFINITELY go to hell get fat and be diseased), IYKWIM.

@Russellbrandshair

The worst thing you can be is FAT and HAPPY because all the skinny wankers can't deal with it because is demeans their body currency. They work hard denying themselves treats and slogging away in the gym searching for that elusive self acceptance, happiness and popularity that comes with being body perfect and like the front of the magazines and movies. But then they see a fat person being happy EVEN WITH THE FAT and it depreciates and demeans their effort

You do realise the irony of this don’t you? On the one hand you’re arguing for acceptance of all weights, that you shouldn’t define people by their weight, shouldn’t assume anything about anyone purely via their weight, shouldn’t shame people for their weight etc?- then you proceed to call anyone slim a “skinny wanker” who is hateful, jealous and spends all their time feeling bitter at the gym.

Lmao you are no better than the fat shamers! You are doing the exact same thing and you can’t even see it!!!

And you do realise that when I said skinny wankers it was directly at the skinny people that are JUDGING the fatties. I am not in any way jeaous of people that are skinny. Fat people can be judgy wankers too with all the " real men eat steak and not bones". I simply meant skinny wankers directed at the very people that started this thread and have contunously piled on the over wight people like its a bloody choice and we are just unhappy lazy fat bastards that just need to eat a salad every day.

I do accept ALL weights but judgy wankers also exist at all weights. This was was specifically started by skinny people that happen to be judgy wankers. And despite being FAT and disabled I do go the gym and swimming....believe me I know how people look at me but coul not care less until people start the blatant hate on here. Dont you all see that you are behind-the-hand bullys? The OP wouldnt post this on that womans FB time line in a million years because she knows its bullying and mean. Nobody posts on a fat womans photo and says "Gained a bit more eating jam butties have you? you look shit and unhealthy" but you all come onto an anonymous forum to do it.

I accept everybody but have no compunction at all in calling out BULLYING when I see it.

@NoMoreReluctantCustodians

All you people who say it's about our health, do none of you ever do anything unhealthy?🤣

I rock climb, hillwalk and ski. I've actually damaged my joints far more with those then with food (3 knee surgeries and 2 ankle surgeries in my youth). I carry boiled sweets in my pockets on long hikes, sucking on them gives me a quick hit of energy without causing my gut to cramp; lots of people do.

@fallfallfall

higher carb. i'm probably one that eats higher carb. i believe all foods are healthy in moderation. so i have honey in my hot water and lemon, i make my own salad dressings which often call for honey. i eat lots of veggies including a variety of potatoes root veg and squash. i pickle beets and cucs which calls for sugar. i make my own jam with fruit from my yard. all these help make the plate colorful and makes my meals enjoyable. pasta rice and such are needed to balance out the plate. it's all about portion sizes for me.

Same here!

@SchrodingersImmigrant Exactly.
Everybody does unhealthy stuff. But when did you last see 20 threads a week with lots of hand wringing and "concern" about the health of people who smoke or spend a fortnight on a beach in the baking sun?

Funny enough, these sort of unhealthy activities don't seem to provoke the same level of hatred concern

I don't own a scale at home, either. I go by how my clothes fit and how I feel when I'm outside enjoying my hobbies. I have pins in two of my joints that are over 25-years-old and my right side hangs a bit lower due to minor scoliosis as a child so a lot of extra weight causes me pain. I just fail it back if my body starts to grumble more than the usual on walks, climbing or skiing.

[quote NoMoreReluctantCustodians]@SchrodingersImmigrant Exactly.
Everybody does unhealthy stuff. But when did you last see 20 threads a week with lots of hand wringing and "concern" about the health of people who smoke or spend a fortnight on a beach in the baking sun?

Funny enough, these sort of unhealthy activities don't seem to provoke the same level of hatred concern [/quote]
Oh there's a smoker one weekly too,more often in the summer.

All smokers are selfish,irresponsible,stupid,common bla bla bla bullshit.

Your friend could be recovering from an eating disorder or restricting her food intake. Diets don’t work and being under nourished is really bad for you. You can be thin and unhealthy, but you can also be fat and healthy.

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[quote NoMoreReluctantCustodians]@SchrodingersImmigrant Exactly.
Everybody does unhealthy stuff. But when did you last see 20 threads a week with lots of hand wringing and "concern" about the health of people who smoke or spend a fortnight on a beach in the baking sun?

Funny enough, these sort of unhealthy activities don't seem to provoke the same level of hatred concern [/quote]
Actually they do. There are threads about smoking.

The smoking ones extend to vapers, too. They're all going to DIE, ALL are selfish and blah blah blah.

No drinking over a thimble of sherry at Christmas, either. You're burdening the NHS, are an alcoholic in denial, going to DIE from disease etc etc.

There's definitely an almost religious tone to it (having been brought up a strict Catholic), a paradigm that if you behave, do everything right, you are guaranteed great health and great health in longevity (not sure what exactly is supposed to kill you, given that death is a certainty), it's staving off 'something bad' happening to you.

If only life really were a quid pro quo.

There's definitely an almost religious tone to it (having been brought up a strict Catholic), a paradigm that if you behave, do everything right, you are guaranteed great health and great health in longevity

Quality over quantity.

Comparing the carbs people are 30 years ago to today is completely bonkers. Yes mums used to bake in decades gone by with sugar and flour but if you are trying to compare that with the sheet amount of processed carbs bought ready packaged from supermarkets today there is literally no comparison.
The sheer amount of choice we have - biscuits, cakes, baked goods, pastas, pizzas, various chocolate and chocolate bars just the whole works. There was a fraction of that stuff around in the 1970’s
In fact in the 70’s cakes from a shop were pretty synthetic and horrible. You would homebake one if you had guests never buy. Baking is far more effort than just picking up cheap crap that we do today.
Honestly no comparison in the amount of processed carbs since the 80’s compared with all the previous decades of human existence.
When carb haters are saying no to carbs, most are actually saying no to processed carbs- not carbs in carrots and sweet potato!!

Being fat is just one aspect of who I am. There is a lot I do and have done that I am proud of. I don't think I should nor is is heathy to hate myself because I'm overweight. I can be proud of who I am at any size and weight. Is being fat really the worse thing a person can be?

This thread makes me feel a bit shite tbh.

I'm ever so slightly overweight, bmi is 25.2. I know I could do with losing a few pounds and I do try, I'm just in the door from a 5km run that I do at night because I am too embarrassed to do it in the cold light of day. I have problems with binge eating though, mainly stemming from childhood abuse.

I might come across as confident and like I don't care but I genuinely don't know what else I am supposed to do? I run my own business, I am a mum, I have to come across as confident or who is going to trust me to do work for them, how am I going to advocate for my children one who has special needs, how am going to teach them to be confident and to know their worth is I don't model it?

And what? People like the OP are going behind my back wondering what I have to be so confident about? I mean, after all, I can't even control what I put in my mouth? If it makes you feel better I do feel like shit most days, I worry about how I can look professional and confident when I feel anything but. I'm not about to tell random people I know that though and let's face it you are not that woman's friend so why you think she would tell you how she really feels(if she doesn't feel confident) is beyond me.

Time2change2

Yes, it would be interesting to see how we would fare if we tried to home-make all the stuff we currently buy ready made. We'd be exhausted. I don't think we'd be having croissants for breakfast very often!

This "dont cut out a food group" business. What about all the gluten free and vegetarians?

Do you know what a food group is?

Vegetarians and people who eat gluten free aren't cutting out food GROUPS but some food types.

Vegetarians still eat protein

Gluten free still eat carbs

Portion creep is definitely a factor, said on here several times before my mother is still using the dinner service she had since the 70's, I have a modern but not outsize one just cheap basic white, my side plates are nearly the size of her dinner plates and my 70's designed kitchen the cupboard doors can't shut! Things like this definitely have an effect on serving size. I try to remember and act accordingly but not easy.

I also don't think it was common to spend the evening eating carbs/sugar in front of the tv, on top of 3 meals per day plus snacks we did and from what I saw/heard so did my peers

Breakfast - cereal or toast, orange or apple juice, occasionally fry up at weekends or holidays for a treat

Mid morning - snack at school you took with you, usually packet of crisps (admittedly much smaller then) or chocolate bar or pack of sweets like chewits

Lunch - school dinner (I was very lucky ours were lovely home cooked things like shepherds pie or stew with veggies and potatoes) main plus pud (and I mean pud usually steamed sponge pud with custard and wouldn't have been low sugar or low fat either) or packed lunch (which would horrify now - cheese or ham or even shiphams paste sandwiches, crisps, yoghurt - wouldn't have been low fat, portion of fruit, penguin type biscuit, full sugar squash in a plastic flask)

After school - in our house we actually differed to a lot of peers here, mainly due to lack of money and cultural/nationality (scots) so we tended to have home made soup (mum always has a pot on the go - when she doesn't we know somethings up!) with buttered white bread or a roll, sometimes a "jammy piece" a jam sandwich made with a thick layer of butter too.

Dinner - almost always home cooked from scratch, basic fare like chops, steak and kidney pud, stews etc meat and 2 veg really and not exciting veg, I don't think my mums ever cooked anything but carrots, cauliflower and greens! Also almost always potatoes - even with pasta when that started to be a thing! Pud every day too - again proper pud sponge or cake with custard maybe ice cream in summer washed down with full sugar squash or milk

Supper - not till high school age as we weren't "up" late enough until then but tea (with full fat milk and sugar) or hot chocolate mostly toast always buttered heavily white bread with a variety of sweet and savoury toppings or sometimes something like malt loaf or ginger bread

All 3 of us very slim, active, healthy kids.

At the time I thought mum was fat, but actually she was never bigger than a 14 and usually a 10-12, dad was rail thin still is.

@graphista I stand corrected. I think the advice given is vague and contradictory though.

Your childhood sounds awesome. I grew up in the era of school dinners and Penguin bars too but unfortunately do tend to gain weight. We're all different.

If you go into the weight loss threads people are carefully weighing and counting their food and sticking to 1200 calories a day to grind out a 1lb a week loss. Losing weight is really hard and you have to be so motivated and persistent. For most people it goes on easily and takes three times as long to come off again.

@Graciebobcat I know lots of people personally that do the same. Then they fall off after three weeks or eat a Big Mac for lunch or go and drink cocktails on nights out and they're not consistent. And when it boils down to it, losing weight just doesn't seem to be that important and/or they're in denial about what they actually eat.

I don't think losing weight is as hard as people make it to be / if it's important enough to you you'll lose weight.