To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?

[Loobyloo71]

Here to rant that Nicola has gone one step further and banned meeting in homes. She always feels the need to one-up Bojo, and hasn’t even given the rule of 6 she introduced last week a chance to see if it’s working.
Interested to know what the English think - do you think she’s taken it too far, or Bojo hasn’t taken it far enough?!

Seems like such a disparity that in England you can meet with 6 other households indoors and here none 🤯😡🤬😭😭

IncandescentSilver has made some interesting and thought provoking comments, particularly about Scotland’s position in Europe.

As ever, there are some Scots who cannot bear to hear a word of criticism about Scotland, NS or the SNP which is ultimately to their detriment.

I cannot fathom the lack of critical thinking among some SNP supporters.

Also, I find the hysterical laughing emoji as a response to posters utterly banal and puerile.

As ever, there are some Scots who cannot bear to hear a word of criticism about Scotland, NS or the SNP which is ultimately to their detriment

It’s not criticism we don’t like, it’s being called stupid, brain dead, small minded and being massively generalised. That’s not exclusive to Scotland...

Massive eye roll at SNP bad. Why on earth do you think it’s some mic drop moment?

"mic-drop moment"?

Pardon?

It's an observation that a large number of the posts in this thread accusing the SNP of this or that invariably contain obvious factual errors, or betray the poster's clear lack of understanding of devolved politics, the government's role, or the actuality of the latest set of restrictions.

It's the same in every single thread that involves Scots politics, from people pontificating utter nonsense about Gaelic roadsigns, to claims that the SNP are spending huge amounts of the Scottish Government budget on Indyref 2.

Simultaneous claims that 'that woman' has nothing else to do apart from appear on daily briefings, but at the same time bemoaning the fact that she's 'everywhere', from book reviews, to Morning TV interviews.

It's not a 'mic drop', it's a repeated pattern in every Mumnsnet thread that mentions NS or the SNP. Any excuse to whinge and moan, facts or reality are inconsequential. It's now at the stage where the 'Police State' and 'Totalitarian' tropes are common. It's utterly risible. People don't like NS because she doesn't represent their own preference for the union, that's absolutely understandable. At least if you are going to make an argument or a criticism, it helps if it's cogent and you don't completely undermine your own credibility by displaying that you haven't a clue what you are ranting about. That just displays ignorant bias rather than informed opinion.

And yes, the degree of vitriol aimed at NS is particular reeks of ridiculous internalised misogyny.

Was it internalised misogyny when women criticised Thatcher?

As ever, there are some Scots who cannot bear to hear a word of criticism about Scotland, NS or the SNP which is ultimately to their detriment

Criticism fine, ridicolous name calling of NS, name calling of people who vote for them as being part of a cult, brain dead etc ...not so much.

@LegoObsession
I think you are displaying how narrow minded you are, that I’m considered aggressive because I don’t like someone marginalising 60% of the country as brain dead and uneducated but perhaps you agree with that.

This is actually really juvenile now.

Perhaps the next legislation to be introduced could helpfully include a list of words that might be marginally offensive if someone wishes to take them the wrong way?

Thats the only solution I can think of.

Was it internalised misogyny when women criticised Thatcher?

Quite possibly part of it was, yes.

It's perfectly possible for women to validly criticise other women, criticise politicians based on their politics, but you don't have any credibility when you do so and simultaneously betray your own ignorance of fact. As for the typical comments about NS's appearance, how is this relevant to her role as FM, or her political ideoligies?

Some of the spite and venom beggars belief. It was mumsnetters who I saw openly suggesting NS's miscarriage was a stunt designed to engender sympathy and entirely cynical. Disgraceful.

So women don’t really know their own minds?

So women don’t really know their own minds?

I'm not going to dignify this with an answer. Try harder.

Now you’re just being patronising.

@Loobyloo71

Yeah to be fair he does usually copy what she does a week later. It’s just the injustice that makes me mad. It’s not been that bad up here really and yet we’ve always had it stricter.

Or, BECAUSE we've had it stricter, that's why its not so bad. Stricter rules, more compliance, less covid.

The new indoor restriction at home makes sense.

@CheesePasty

So women don’t really know their own minds?

Oh god, are you honestly not embarrassed to write this after someone actually tried to engage your brain a bit?

But our mortality rates are roughly the same as England.

@IncandescentSilver

This is actually really juvenile now.

Perhaps the next legislation to be introduced could helpfully include a list of words that might be marginally offensive if someone wishes to take them the wrong way?

Thats the only solution I can think of.

Is there a country where calling someone brain dead isn’t offensive?

People who live alone are exempt from the restrictions

Really? So do you really think that is true given households can't mix?! You have to form a support bubble, and how is that helpful if you are actually alone, and now confined to your house because your family and friends have decided they will follow the rules and you are locked out of all contact?
Even for the people that are not alone, they can no longer have dinner or see friends or family at home or outside. That is a massive and heartbreaking decision to make. It is only a matter of time before NS closes pubs and restaurants, she alluded to it today and said she would have done so already if she could have rinsed Westminster for the money.

And this is for SIX MONTHS not a few weeks.

It is horrendous on every level, and I can't believe people have accepted it so readily.

NS has become positively scary in her mission to jettison all reason and without the consent from the people, and I speak as a massive supporter. I have always really liked her, and certainly admire her strength and clarity, but on this she is completely utterly wrong.

Cutting people off completely from each other for half a year or more will come to be seen as a big mistake mark my words, and I don't need to tell you that people are already fragile, this is only going to make things even harder and for others it will be too much.

Take what you like, Im in the NHS day in and day out and hear what people are saying

Come out of that bubble and into the real world. Then you’ll understand what is what. Unsurprising NHS staff supported independence given the utter bullshit spouted about the risks to the NHS during the campaign.

Really? So do you really think that is true given households can't mix?! You have to form a support bubble, and how is that helpful if you are actually alone, and now confined to your house because your family and friends have decided they will follow the rules and you are locked out of all contact?

Single people effectively become part of the household in extended households. So they can see part of their family or a friends family and still be following their rules. Yes, it means choosing one family or one friend to extend with, but it's not "no-one is allowed to mix full stop" at all.

Same with non-cohabiting couples. They are allowed to see each other in either home. Single people and children have been well thought about in the Scottish plans imo.

Even for the people that are not alone, they can no longer have dinner or see friends or family at home or outside. That is a massive and heartbreaking decision to make. It is only a matter of time before NS closes pubs and restaurants, she alluded to it today and said she would have done so already if she could have rinsed Westminster for the money.

They can have dinner in pubs and restaurants. They can also meet outdoors, including in private gardens.

So do you really think that is true given households can't mix?! You have to form a support bubble, and how is that helpful if you are actually alone, and now confined to your house because your family and friends have decided they will follow the rules and you are locked out of all contact?

Or, like MIL, chosen nr 1 son as her bubble despite the fact he is utterly useless, meaning we now can’t visit her and once again, our DD misses out on seeing her grandparents.

Come out of that bubble and into the real world. Then you’ll understand what is what. Unsurprising NHS staff supported independence given the utter bullshit spouted about the risks to the NHS during the campaign

Its completely patronising to suggest I'm not in tbe real world just because I'm a Nurse in the NHS. Do you know what, I really don't care whether you believe me or not, when they sweep the board at the Scottish elections next May it might finally dawn on some people how much support for them and independence there is actually is, rather than being in a Unionist bubble.

Thanks to Sturgeon’s illogical and stupid rules, I cannot meet my daughter safely in my home for lunch, but I AM allowed to meet her for lunch in a restaurant full of potentially infected people.
No wonder Scotland has the third worst Covid death rate in Europe. And a worse percentage of care home deaths than England.

Well if there is one thing you have a talent for Incandescent is spoiling for an argument, offending swathes of people, playing the victim card and screaming 'racism' when called out on it. You certainly are unique in that I've never heard of a Dutch person claiming they have been racially abused for being Dutch.

There is no free pass for being rude and hyper critical of others - expect to be challenged for it by as many people who are offended by it - it's a forum, not a private conversation. There are many parties to vote for in the UK, we don't have a one party state, so by definition, we are allowed to disagree with other people's choices. Strong debate is healthy, but the presentation of anecdote as fact is not an intelligent debating strategy.

Laguna
Thank you for the work you do in the NHS - a challenging job even before Covid arrived. The NHS was under serious threat before Covid hit - or have we forgotten Trump wanting 'selling parts of the NHS on the Trade Deal Table. Fortunately I think there is less likelihood of that happening now as the general public have had their eyes opened further just how essential a health care service for all is, regardless of personal income level.

The NHS is fully devolved in Scotland so any issues should be highlighted to Holyrood.