To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?

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Here to rant that Nicola has gone one step further and banned meeting in homes. She always feels the need to one-up Bojo, and hasn’t even given the rule of 6 she introduced last week a chance to see if it’s working.
Interested to know what the English think - do you think she’s taken it too far, or Bojo hasn’t taken it far enough?!

Seems like such a disparity that in England you can meet with 6 other households indoors and here none 🤯😡🤬😭😭

@WaxOnFeckOff

"I could go on all day but the problem mainly is that there is a dearth in talent in politics right across the UK so she gets to look like she is a good option"

I agree. I am (just) 50 and was speaking to two good friends, both mid 70's, t'other day. One is an ex-Treasury ex-public school bod, and one is an ex Academic & Head Teacher. One London, one Scotland. One Tory through and through, one not. One strongly Catholic, one not, One v upper class, one not, so v diff. BOTH agreed that they'd not seen such a dearth of competence in the Cabinet in their lifetimes.
So, NS might look less competent in different company.
BJ looks 'better than Trump' (just!) but then that's a very low bar etc

I'd be much happier with the SNP if they spent more time / money sorting the mess that is education, the NHS, the Police and less on IndyRef. But that IS their raison d'etre after all I guess?

the poster woman of the Calvinistic remnants of puritanical Scotland
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What??

Think you'll find the unionist vote falls into this camp, even importing extreme puritans/Calvinists/Free Presbyterian from NI to campaign against her! Pop up sometime and see the badges/flags they are waving against the 'monstrous regiment of women'.

.....sorry Incandescent of course, you are everywhere representing and polling every nationality under the sun. Please - open your eyes. (Your average Scot isn't wanting more motorways, more second homes etc. Crikey, a good number in England do not even want HS2)

StoneofDestinyI know you think I'm an unworkdy, little travelled mere Dutch person who now has the privilege of living in Scotland, but I've read your above post several times and I still have no idea what it actually means.

What is it you are trying to say? That NS has a following in Ireland?

And where have I to "pop up" to, given that I live in Scotland? An orange walk??

She just said on TV "suppression means the same thing as elimination".

Does she honestly think we're THAT STUPID?

NS: 'suppression means the same thing as elimination'?
Oh, that's not good - that's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from BJ :(

She thinks our heads zip up the back and that we can't remember as far back as March.

'She just said on TV "suppression means the same thing as elimination"

If Johnson said such bollocks she'd have a right head wobbling rant about it.

@IncandescentSilver

I think a lot of it with politicians is down to spin. I'm not a fan of Boris, but the Scottish press is spectacularly feeble in holding Scottish politucuans to account. Possibly because any journalist with any ambition moves to London. It's astonishing that so many people cannot see through NS using a DAILY press briefing to her favour.

I also find the puritanical image tied in with supposedly "good" politucuans a bit archaic. Yes, Nicola, with her scandal free marriage to a much older man, her thinly veiled pursuit of her odious predessecor Salmond (whom no doubt the same posters were waxing lyrical in favour of til he lost the last I dependence vote) and her disinterest in foreign travel and luxury, makes her the poster woman of the Calvinistic remnants of puritanical Scotland. You aren't even supposed to have holiday homes here (unlike the Scandinavian countries) and woe betide if you try to run an Air B&B - hotels and licensed guest houses are best for Scots!

You really hate Scotland don’t you. I don’t recognise any of your ideas about Scotland and Scottish people.

No Incandescent, I have never referred to you as unworldly, mere Dutch or anything like that.

You brought up your nationality (no idea why)
You keep presenting anecdotal views of individuals you meet in your travels. (Irrelevant - the voting public in Scotland get the say finally on Scotland's future)

I was challenging your view that N. Sturgeon appeals to Scots with Calvinist/Puritanical leanings - it's the opposite. Two reasons, 1) she is female (Knox called women of authority 'the monstrous regiment of women), 2) the Calvinist/Puritanical/Free Kirk leaning Scots whose support in from NI Orange brigade (coincidently another Dutch import) are unionists through and through - still living in the 17th Century in their heads. (Pop along and check the banners at Unionist and Orange Marches)
Modern Presbyterians, reformed and free thinking, non Puritans, make their own minds up who they vote for along lines of policy. A much more civilised group.

@52andblue

NS: 'suppression means the same thing as elimination'? Oh, that's not good - that's the sort of nonsense I'd expect from BJ :(

This

strictlybakeoff
You really hate Scotland don’t you. I don’t recognise any of your ideas about Scotland and Scottish people.

Totally my assessment too - odd to choose to live amongst people you have so little respect for.

Two words

Super injunction

Totally my assessment too - odd to choose to live amongst people you have so little respect for.

Well I'm, Scottish and live in Scotland and I have little respect for a sizeable amount of the population - surely that applies regardless of where you live? The part of the population I have no respect for varies in amount and type at any given time.

StoneofDestinyyou haven't challenged me, you have made a series of innacurate assumptions..

Firstly, you told me that I needed to travel more, when I answered in Dutch, you have never quite forgiven me. You have gone on and on with your not quite accurate translation from Google translate.

Then you told me that I needed to travel more in Britain.

When I responded that I've actually visited every county in Britain, you told me that I needed to travel in my mind, as well as my body!

Then twice you've told me, again patronisingly in a way intended to belittle, that I need to "pop along" somewhere.

Do you even realise how indurectly racist to go on and on about soneibe's nationality, and blame something on being a Dutch import, and then to be rare them for mentioning that they were born elsewhere? You do realise that people born outside Scotland are permitted to live and work here, and that it's not that unusual?

Somewhere in your word salad, there is some meaning, but it certainly isn't any form of recognisable "challenge".

All you do is make up little stories in your head and then patronise people when corrected with facts.
Let me assure you that an Orange Walk will not be high on my list of priorities.

Bonus question - why are SNP fans so patronising? Don't they realise that it puts off all but the brain dead to their cause? You are actually achieving the opposite effect to that which you intend?

I quite like rural Scotland, the North East, the islands and Edinburgh. Would I want to live in the SNP heartlands - definately not!

She didn’t say that suppression means the same as elimination. She said that the word they have officially agreed to use is suppression.

@IncandescentSilver

StoneofDestinyyou haven't challenged me, you have made a series of innacurate assumptions..

Firstly, you told me that I needed to travel more, when I answered in Dutch, you have never quite forgiven me. You have gone on and on with your not quite accurate translation from Google translate.

Then you told me that I needed to travel more in Britain.

When I responded that I've actually visited every county in Britain, you told me that I needed to travel in my mind, as well as my body!

Then twice you've told me, again patronisingly in a way intended to belittle, that I need to "pop along" somewhere.

Do you even realise how indurectly racist to go on and on about soneibe's nationality, and blame something on being a Dutch import, and then to be rare them for mentioning that they were born elsewhere? You do realise that people born outside Scotland are permitted to live and work here, and that it's not that unusual?

Somewhere in your word salad, there is some meaning, but it certainly isn't any form of recognisable "challenge".

All you do is make up little stories in your head and then patronise people when corrected with facts.
Let me assure you that an Orange Walk will not be high on my list of priorities.

Bonus question - why are SNP fans so patronising? Don't they realise that it puts off all but the brain dead to their cause? You are actually achieving the opposite effect to that which you intend?

They way they are arguing with you, is just proving your point. Carry on!

@IncandescentSilver what an odd way to describe Scotland. I was born in Glasgow, moved away till Uni then came back and settled in Edinburgh. I also work in Scottish politics.

I find ScotlNd more Presbyterian. More open, questioning but also fairly sensible. It is a country that is traditionally left leaning and with a strong belief in helping those who can’t help themselves. There isn’t the same crazy libertarian streak running through the nation where they refuse to be told what to do.

I am no fan of Sturgeon as FM (I think she is a perfectly decent human being), but she has at least been clear on what she is doing and why. Frankly it makes no odds, the covid numbers here aren’t much better, but that is driven more by high density housing in the west (and lots of people having mad house parties).

Frankly, she always just just jumps the gun on Boris by 2 weeks so she can appear more in control. The sooner he clocks on the better because she makes him look a twat.

How on earth is it "odd" to say that you prefer one part of a country to another?

Please explain.

But this thread is about Nicola’s handling of the pandemic , not about the independence referendum.

The people PP was referring to were the cult followers, not the more recent converts who think being able to speak well = great handling.

I'm a Nurse, all of my colleagues including Doctors vote for the SNP and voted Yes in 2014 and will do do so again. Yep were all thick.

I’ll take statistics over anecdata every time.

they will sweep the board next May thankfully no matter how much some people go on about hating her on social media.

Because of a lack of effective opposition. They lost a lot of seats at the last election (and yet bizarrely counted that as a great success)

It is possible to think she has handled this well and not be either an SNP supporter or in favour of independence.

I agree. I did too. But part of the reason people think she has handled it well is on the “better than Boris” scale and that’s a low bar for comparison. It is also because there hasn’t been the same press scrutiny of her errors. There are plenty to choose from.

It wasnt NS decision alone though. The point.

Health is devolved. She could make her own decision, she chose not to. A lot has been said about how her hands were tied, but as she has latterly proven she is perfectly able to have a different set of rules in Scotland. Remember when we were told she couldn’t have different border rules for overseas travel? That was bullshit too.

If I flip back to my day job, I work for a large company expected to be at the frontline of covid, a necessity. Both at Westminster and in Scotland cabinet ministers, junior ministers and civil servants have on the whole been woeful. There are always a few exceptions, but generally having worked in politics for over 20 years I am stunned by how awful the quality is.

Nicola can spin a decent line, but she can’t control purse strings. She has few levers at her disposal. Meanwhile Boris has filled his cabinet with moronic brexiteers who are simply there because all the decent people left or weren’t swivel eyed enough on brexit. He maybe regretting that now.

Apart from Rishi Sunak, who is absolutely smart as a tack and gunning for the top job.

@IncandescentSilver
Don't they realise that it puts off all but the brain dead to their cause? and you’re calling someone else patronising?
You are very arrogant and judgemental, I’m sure all the professionals who support SNP are not brain dead. Maybe you’d be best look at the Unionist supporters before you start with demeaning peoples intelligence.

‘they will sweep the board next May thankfully no matter how much some people go on about hating her on social media.‘

That isn’t a good thing. Even sensible SNP supporters know that isn’t good. Any government needs a decent opposition, otherwise they go a bit power crazy (hence SNP centralisation of key services because they don’t trust them to run themselves), or they run out of ideas.

The Scottish Parliament was not meant to have a single party in charge bulldozing through their agenda, it was designed to be collegiate.

@IncandescentSilver

I quite like rural Scotland, the North East, the islands and Edinburgh. Would I want to live in the SNP heartlands - definately not!

So you don’t like Glasgow and other areas because people overwhelmingly vote SNP.

Isn’t that the same as saying you don’t like people who don’t vote the same way as you.

Not a very nice way to approach life.

You’ve made your hatred for NS and the SNP absolutely clear.