To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?

[Loobyloo71]

Here to rant that Nicola has gone one step further and banned meeting in homes. She always feels the need to one-up Bojo, and hasn’t even given the rule of 6 she introduced last week a chance to see if it’s working.
Interested to know what the English think - do you think she’s taken it too far, or Bojo hasn’t taken it far enough?!

Seems like such a disparity that in England you can meet with 6 other households indoors and here none 🤯😡🤬😭😭

@ssd
Agreed.
What does threatening ppl with ‘fire power’ type of speech make Johnson?
Tbf a lot of the nastiness directed at NS would not be done to a man, when ppl say they ‘hate’ her they rarely have a reason, ‘just because’ just because she’s a woman, a good example to young women, you don’t need to be rich or go to Eton to succeed. The biggest increase in SNP supporters is ppl under 30.

@Ecosse
Are the owners of the private homes without responsibility, lack of ppe, shipping staff in from England and bringing infection, where else do care home residents get discharged to other than where they live?

I still can't get over your nasty bitches comment and assuming all posters who disagree with you are womwn. @SBTLove.

ssdthinking excessive state control of your everyday life is a good thing is pretty sad actually.

It's also one of the main reasons (in addition to fiscal) that an independent Scotland would not be compatible with the values and aims of the EU and therefore not gain membership. It's entire constitution and parliamentary system would have to be rewritten to meet EU standards - thats what the former Eastern European member states had to do, and that still took 12 years even with the accelerated entry procedure and a LOT of financial assistance from the EU, none of which will be available again.

Also outwith the ECHR - just let that sink in.

That is misogyny in case you didn't know it.

@IncandescentSilver

The majority of people of voting age in Scotland did not vote for the Snp. This sort of fake statement is typical of the thick "its all hunky dory in paradise" attitude of SNP supporters.

Not being able to do basic arithmetic is farcical.

The majority of people in the U.K. did not vote for the conservatives at the last few elections , yet we have to tolerate the utter shambles they are causing through brexit. And it is one thing to criticise Nicola. You have every right to disagree with her policies , although many of your points of view are twisting the truth .But you also decide that people who have an opposing view are thick . I would suggest that it is expressing that kind of intolerance that is ignorant.

Aberdeen's spread was in hospitality areas so she had to lock them down. Glasgow's was in houses so people were banned from each other's houses.

Convenient, eh? That there was nothing happening in pubs (allegedly)

When Aberdeen had an issue with pubs she introduced measures restricting travel and stopped people visiting homes. She closed pubs AND cafes, restaurants etc - even though there have never been any cases in those places. Despite it starting in pubs, she said it was necessary to stop the spread. Surely, if there is an outbreak in Glasgow, no matter where it starts, the response should be to stop the spread and closing pubs and restaurants is part of that. She closed the entire city which runs a very long and narrow east to west. My mum, just outside the city (3 miles) could come and go freely, but someone 14 miles to the west of where the problem was had to lock down. Make no mistake, closing Aberdeen and not Glasgow was a political decision, not a scientific one.

Giving the exact same solution to different scenarios would have been bloody stupid.

This is what she is doing now. Many areas in Scotland have really low numbers. Clacks, as noted earlier has negligible cases. The Highlands and Islands, a vast rural area is barely affected. When Shetland first had an outbreak, they were left to their own devices. Can you imagine the outcry if they locked down the whole of central Scotland so that Shetland was protected? But, do it the other way round and people just have to get on with it.

I’m glad NS has taken the view that stronger measures need to be in place, but moving away from the local lockdown scenario is a mistake. She did so because she knows Glasgow is the problem but politically it would be suicide to make Glasgow alone, deal with it.

@SBTLove

It was Sturgeon and Freeman who actively bought beds in homes for patients who had either tested positive or not been tested. So I’m afraid the usual SNP deflection tactics don’t work here.

Sturgeon may have been a pleasure to listen to @Loobyloo71. But I can guarantee the families of the elderly people she killed in care homes by discharging COVID positive patients into them won’t feel the same way.

I think this was directed at me. Am I missing something? This was a Government led initiative - all countries within the UK did the same thing. Imagine thinking NS was to blame. Take off those rose tinted glasses

But you also decide that people who have an opposing view are thick

If you look at the stats behind who voted yes and who voted no, the split along the lines of education is quite stark.

I don't think Boris has gone far enough - I can't see what massive difference closing a pub an hour earlier will do, when six people can then go back to your house! Nicola also excluded under 12s from rule of six which makes the rule either easier to stick to/less isolating for parents/families of young kids. As many companies had pushed back on stopping wfh advice, I can't see his measures go very far to stop a huge increase anyway. I'd rather have Nicola any day (I'm English living in England).

Lack of testing, along with a ridiculously narrow range of things to test for just fucks so many chances to suppress the virus more. Poor planning/funding for a realistic option for safer schools is another disgrace.

This was a Government led initiative - all countries within the UK did the same thing. Imagine thinking NS was to blame. Take off those rose tinted glasses

Health is a devolved matter. The directive to discharge came from ScotGov to NHS Scotland. Regardless of what happened in rUK, ScotGov made a decision which led to the needless deaths of care home residents.

Taking the attitude that it was ok that she did so because others did too is shameful. I’m sick of the “yes we’re shit, but Boris is shitter so that’s ok” attitude from NS’s cult of followers. We deserve better than that. We deserve someone who’s actions follow up her shiny words, not the same kind of lies and mishandling we see elsewhere.

Taking the attitude that it was ok that she did so because others did too is shameful

No one said that. It wasnt NS decision alone though. The point.

She is amazing imho.

The leadership that she has shown through this ia exemplary.

(but she should really shut indoor pubs and restaurants)

@notanoctopus

‘Safer schools’ is nothing to do with funding. You could give schools £100 billion, but they still have the same buildings and the same staff they’ve always had.

Where can schools magic up extra classrooms and extra teachers from to facilitate smaller class sizes?

I would have reported the “bitches” comment but o think it should stand. Accusing women of misogyny whilst using misogynistic slurs is astonishing.

@MintyMabel

But you also decide that people who have an opposing view are thick

If you look at the stats behind who voted yes and who voted no, the split along the lines of education is quite stark.

But this thread is about Nicola’s handling of the pandemic , not about the independence referendum. It is possible to think she has handled this well and not be either an SNP supporter or in favour of independence. And there were a number of demographic factors that influenced voting in the referendum . I don’t read it as being as clear cut as you say - but happy to review your evidence. And even if that’s correct it doesn’t mean that everyone who voted yes was thick. Or that level of education always correlated with intelligence But in a discussion where your argument is simply that everyone who has an opposing view to you is stupid is unpleasant .

@Loobyloo71

Yeah to be fair he does usually copy what she does a week later. It’s just the injustice that makes me mad. It’s not been that bad up here really and yet we’ve always had it stricter.

Do you not think the reason why it’s not been so bad maybe is because she was stricter?

@MadameBlobby

We’ve actually had a very similar number of deaths to England on a per capita basis and far more than other countries with a similar population.

So, no, Sturgeon has not done ‘well’ at all.

I have never been a big fan of Nicola's politics but i my opinion she has done a fantastic job in the past 6 months.
She has shown her nurturing side to keep the Scottish people safe.
I have also been very impressed by Prof. Jason Leitch he is very much a straight talker, he has had zoom meetings with primary kids and put himself out there daily to answer the public's questions . I do feel that its his input that has made the Scottish rules so straightforward.

In what way is 4500 deaths a ‘fantastic job’ @Redyoyo?

Sturgeon may have been a pleasure to listen to @Loobyloo71. But I can guarantee the families of the elderly people she killed in care homes by discharging COVID positive patients into them won’t feel the same way

Yes - this was a UK wide initiatives, and one Sturgeon was actually in GMB this morning being interrogated about, and her answers were direct and honest - a lot more than PM Johnson or any of his ministers have been doing - hiding as they are from any open questions from the media.

you look at the stats behind who voted yes and who voted no, the split along the lines of education is quite stark

I'm a Nurse, all of my colleagues including Doctors vote for the SNP and voted Yes in 2014 and will do do so again. Yep were all thick.

Nicola Sturgeon could find a cure for Covid and still some people would criticise her. Support for the SNP is rising, not falling and they will sweep the board next May thankfully no matter how much some people go on about hating her on social media.

www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

Funny how one poster is attacked for calling woman 'bitches', but another poster calls a woman 'a witch' and isn't.