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To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?

651 replies

Loobyloo71 · 22/09/2020 19:22

Here to rant that Nicola has gone one step further and banned meeting in homes. She always feels the need to one-up Bojo, and hasn’t even given the rule of 6 she introduced last week a chance to see if it’s working.
Interested to know what the English think - do you think she’s taken it too far, or Bojo hasn’t taken it far enough?!

Seems like such a disparity that in England you can meet with 6 other households indoors and here none 🤯😡🤬😭😭

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barkingmadmother · 23/09/2020 08:55

I don't really understand why she persists in coming out with announcements just before BJ.

ceeveebee · 23/09/2020 08:56

Scotland has a lower rate per 100,000 than England for both cases and deaths?

To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?
To strongly dislike Nicola Sturgeon right now?
MonTheGoose · 23/09/2020 08:56

Our mortality rate and R rate are broadly inline with England’s so I don’t think any of them have handled it particularly well. It’s been a disaster everywhere and I don’t give a crap if she has (fake) empathy because it sure isn’t paying my bills.

zafferana · 23/09/2020 08:58

I wish all four nations would agree a way forward that we can all follow. Every nation having its own rules and those rules being broadcast in all other nations live on TV makes it so confusing!

I really wish that the rules made more sense too. Six people from six different households is okay, but eight people from two households isn't? It's just ridiculous and I find it hard to support such a nonsensical rule. I really wish that the rule was two households, inside or outside. It utterly pisses me off that we, as a family of four, cannot have a picnic in the park with one other family of four, but six people from different households can have a fucking dinner party inside. Where is the logic in that ????

Isadora2007 · 23/09/2020 08:59

I'm struggling to think of anything that has improved in recent years.

Free Higher education? Saving people average of £9000 Per year Of study and Making education affordable for all?

Continuing Nursing bursaries- ensuring that people continue to join nursing and support the NHS. Compared to in England where nursing students come out of uni £27000 in debt as a result of their desire to become nurses. We get £10000 per year to train AND our fees paid.
Free prescriptions for all.

I am not an SNP voter, yet, but I disagree that there are no improvements.

ceeveebee · 23/09/2020 08:59

@barkingmadmother

I don't really understand why she persists in coming out with announcements just before BJ.
Boris announced all the measures in parliament at 12.30. NS announced the Scotland measures in Holyrood at 5pm
SBTLove · 23/09/2020 09:02

@BrazenlyDefying
A thread on C19 descends into consents about her appearance, wee nippy, jimmy etc I think that’s misogyny.
@KeepingPlain
And you are calling anyone stupid, did the £750m investment in education by pass you? the £500m in nursery provision?
Look at the elitist English system, crumbling schools, I prefer ours.

jasjas1973 · 23/09/2020 09:05

@barkingmadmother

I don't really understand why she persists in coming out with announcements just before BJ.
Er she didn't, he told the HoC around lunch time and then had a ridiculous broadcast at 8pm, where he repeated what he had said earlier.

Whitty and Van Tam have told Johnson that he will be forced to follow Sturgeon on no mixing of households very soon.

Mittens030869 · 23/09/2020 09:08

** There is a lot of misogyny directed toward her though.

She gets shit for things much, much more than Mark Drakeford does.**

Yes, I’ve noticed this too, I find it very sad.

SallySeven · 23/09/2020 09:10

@SBTLove.

I'll not take lectures on misogyny from someone who assumes all posters are women when berating them and refers to "bitches."

You come across as an angry man tbh.

user1471565182 · 23/09/2020 09:13

hahaha 'all that awful misogyny'

Whilst calling women bitches.

SNP in a fucking nutshell.

SBTLove · 23/09/2020 09:15

@SallySeven
Nasty bitches is fairly accurate for women berating another woman’s appearance, absolutely behaving like that.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 23/09/2020 09:17

'There is a lot of misogyny directed toward her though. She gets shit for things much, much more than Mark Drakeford does'

Oh stop with the lazy misogyny accusations. There are many great female leaders, Sturgeon is not one of them, she is using this crisis to further her indy agenda. She has that idiot Ian Blackford making a tit of himself every week in Westminster for starters, surely any leader with any understanding of credibility would get shot of that bumbling fool.

smellycats · 23/09/2020 09:19

@sonicbook

It’s just the injustice that makes me mad. It’s not been that bad up here really and yet we’ve always had it stricter.

Hmmm wonder why we might not have had it as bad 🙄 ffs

This.

I'm not really a fan of NS or the SNP and I do find the endless independence stuff very tedious.

However, I'm impressed with her handling of COVID. I think she communicates well. And I do believe she's doing her very best to do the right thing.

I can't blame her for the odd jibe about Johnson and co. They are so incompetent it beggars belief. They deserve to be criticised.

I live in Scotland.

loobyloo1234 · 23/09/2020 09:19

YABU

I live in England. I would give anything to have a clear, sound leader who doesn't backtrack at any opportunity. I was no fan of Sturgeon but since this pandemic took hold, I think she has been a pleasure to listen to. Also - do people not realise, England will follow what Scotland have implemented within the next two weeks because BJ is a clueless, useless sack of shit

Ecosse · 23/09/2020 09:22

Sturgeon should have shut Glasgow and Lanarkshire weeks ago- 70% of yesterday’s cases are there.

That would have upset her voters though and been an admission that her elimination strategy has failed and undermined her false claim about cases being 80% lower than England.

So now she is having on Johnson’s coattails, but twisting her announcement to be different.

SallySeven · 23/09/2020 09:23

Okay then.

Are you an SNP member @SBTLove?

ssd · 23/09/2020 09:23

Hear hear. I said the exact same thing upthread. Johnson goes in wishy wash, Sturgeon goes harder, Johnson waits to see the reaction then does the same thing 2 weeks later. And posters here scream how NS likes to upstage him. When actually she is just taking control.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 23/09/2020 09:23

'England will follow what Scotland have implemented within the next two weeks'

Do you watch the news? There are massive areas of England already doing what Scotland are doing so maybe Nicola 'followed' Johnson?

Ecosse · 23/09/2020 09:24

@ssd

The difference is that Sturgeon and her party are naturally authoritarian (see named person etc). This is the perfect opportunity for her to flex her muscles and order people about.

ssd · 23/09/2020 09:25

@SallySeven

Okay then.

Are you an SNP member @SBTLove?

How nosey
IncandescentSilver · 23/09/2020 09:25

Isadorathe failings in higher and further education are one of the many things that are not properly publicised in Scotland.

Due to the inability of Scottish universities to raise more funds, they have needed to recruit more from outwith the EU and England in recent years, so that places available to Scottish students have reduced significantly. Likewslise, further education college placenumbers have reduced.

The universities have been investing in building halls of residence for these overseas students, because it keeps them afloat financially. Nevertheless, staff at a major Scottish University disrupted that year's teaching due to strike action because they were told to accept a 10% pay cut and loss of pension rights.

Then there's the loss of academic independence - thus would be illegal or heavily discouraged in many countries but there is a practice now in Scottish uniersities of making academics submit their proposed papers to the Principal for "approval" - in reality, that means you can't be too critical of the Snp.

Don't get me started on standards, even at postgraduate level, where Harvard referencing and essay writing with actual sentences and paragraphs are unknown to many... How that is possible at such a level, I do not understand.

Oh, and the schools were closed here for many more weeks than in the rest of Northern Europe.

ssd · 23/09/2020 09:25

[quote Ecosse]@ssd

The difference is that Sturgeon and her party are naturally authoritarian (see named person etc). This is the perfect opportunity for her to flex her muscles and order people about.[/quote]
you see order, I see being in control.

SallySeven · 23/09/2020 09:27

Yes I will admit that it's nosey.

I call it engagement though. It's interesting to me to know where people are coming from on a subject.

Ecosse · 23/09/2020 09:27

Sturgeon may have been a pleasure to listen to @Loobyloo71. But I can guarantee the families of the elderly people she killed in care homes by discharging COVID positive patients into them won’t feel the same way.

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