Rape allegation database

[Roosterbooster99]

Sorry, posting for traffic. To distill, I was raped by a man and I know he has raped other people. All so called Date Rape. I know he has done it to other women before and after what happened to me. But usually when one man rapes a lot of unconnected women, especially after a drink etc the women end up in silos, not knowing he’s done it to others, questioning their own memory, blaming themselves etc, etc, etc.

And I’m sure lots of women, like me, won’t report it. Because it’s her word against his most of the time, and who wants to destroy their lives for 4% convictioncrates.

What I want to do is create an online database. Only visible to staff/administrators, but it would mean if a man was habitually date raping, evidence would build up and flag him.

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Example: At least 3 of Steve Wrights victims could have been saved by this.

Example: At least 3 of Steve Wrights victims could have been saved by this.

As Wright as an example, highly doubtful.

*I don't think you can create a database of names labelling someone a rapist if they haven't actually been convicted. If they are convicted then presumably they go on the sex offenders register.

Who suggested labelling anybody anything?

*I don't think you can create a database of names labelling someone a rapist if they haven't actually been convicted. If they are convicted then presumably they go on the sex offenders register.

Who suggested labelling anybody anything?

YOU did.

"What I want to do is create an online database. Only visible to staff/administrators, but it would mean if a man was habitually date raping, evidence would build up and flag him."

You want to create a data base in which alleged victims can accuse someone of being a rapist, without any due process. If that isn't labelling someone, I don't know what is.

OP How about tackling things from the other end ? A dedicated programme going into schools, first year secondary ? One programme directed at boys, basically how to treat women, and the other to girls How not to accept bad behaviour from boys and how to give girls the backbone to believe in themselves.
My kids are much older now so I’m not sure what goes on in those PHSE classes.
But i bet they just pussy foot around such a subject as Rape and consent
Yes its three am and I’m a bit woozy typing this
Also very sorry this happened to you

Terrible idea for a mop to run this. Far far too easy for someone to use this to label an exDH or exBF as revenge.

Malicious rape claims are rare

Rare to be made to the police, I agree.

But there is a much greater chance of false claims when it is merely submitting a name to a database.

@Roosterbooster99

I don’t think its the sort of database that any old person should be able to have control of.

I wasn’t intending to just let anyone access it. I was intending to build an app then ask rape charities etc what they thought and if they would welcome collaborating (for free).

No, I meant you. You're any old person. You are a member of the public who wants to hold information on alleged sex offenders to increase the likelihood of convictions based on reports directly to you rather than the Police who are, you know, actually tasked with gathering this information and storing it in a very secure manner. I think its a horrifying idea.

I think any efforts, and grants/money, in this area should be put into making the current systems better.

It would be much better if people who felt unable to face the stresses of a formal complaint to the police could feel comfortable to have a discussion that was recorded with well trained, properly compassionate, people and held on record in case of future similar recordings.

Whilst that does happen in some areas it's in no way guaranteed that if you walk into a police station, or call the police, to report a rape that you get a well trained, compassionate, officer who understands the complexities around rape and sexual assault and that should be the focus rather than another database. There needs to be joined up thinking rather than more and more individual places holding information.

Sorry, I think it's an awful idea which is wide open to abuse and smearing of potentially innocent people.

The police and justice system seem to fall well short when it comes to tackling rape allegations, but this is certainly not the way to deal with it.

You're suggesting two different things - a system where sex workers can let someone know their location, and a database of rape allegations. Which is it?

You'd be pretty unlucky to be "falsely" accused by several different women over a number of years though wouldnt you? I think if several previous girlfriends or work colleagues had "falsely " accused my husband of sexual assault I'd be wondering quite how false those accusations were.

Would the database hold details of the people who were making the accusations and look for patterns there too? If a woman or group of women known to each other made repeated allegations then it could be used to highlight women who were potentially making false claims. If a woman was found to be making allegations against a string of men, I'd start to wonder how truthful those allegations were.

As I understand you wish X person to log onto DB to say they are at Z place

Then log onto DB to say they are ok when they left Z place safety

What happens if they don't log out safely ?

Do you phone 999 ?

When it could be a case of stolen phone or low battery ?

Resources to track someone down ?

It would take ressource 24x7x365 to man the DB for issues related to people not logging on or off

I'm unsure how crimestoppers works, but surely every possible offence should be on a database available nationwide? Not just for sexual offences, of course. In many important situations, the mounting warning alarms may be insufficient one at a time.

A family may be reported by a neighbour troubled about possible child abuse, then a teacher mentions worries about the same family, then a shopkeeper notices something, but the family move, before a child protection social worker is tasked to intervene. It would be better, wouldn't it, if the professionals in the new area are notified promptly by an automatic trigger, on the very first time anyone reports similarly troubling activities in the new address?

None of the information would be hard, conclusive evidence proved in open court, at that stage, nor would it be publicly broadcast. But together, each fragment builds a picture to assist in making a case for successful prosecution, if necessary.

Two wrongs don't make a right, it's said. But ten wrongs may stop an offender. I would suggest the MeToo's have shown the right way. If law needs tweaking to introduce balance of probability, for instance if the villain is caught red handed for one incident, or faces one determined victim who won't be deterred from going to court, it seems entirely fair that the court can be informed that a considerable number of previous similar cases against the same man were recorded, but not pursued as far as the court.

(Or were, but not with the volume of corroborating evidence now accumulated. (That raises one of the advantages of the Scottish 'Not Proven' option. The villain whose lawyer terrifies the victim, may achieve a situation where a guilty verdict cannot be beyond doubt, but in most of u.k., that counts as 'proved innocent' ))

Im going to add that is sad that people get killed, raped, injured, of any sex

However, would a DB really stop the number of incidents occurring ?

Are you hoping to start a subscription app ?

You say at least three of Steven Wrights victims could have been saved with something like this?

How? Surely it would rely on you searching the data non-stop? Who would you then share that data with in order to prevent an incident? The charities you’ve mentioned? The police?

What quality control checks would be carried out on your data to ensure it can be believed? How would you verify the information given to you?

What steps would you have in place to prevent this app/database or whatever being hacked? I’d imagine the data on it would be priced at a premium.

Some people don't wish to have their lives/physical location tracked

Someone could log onto the DB with multiple identities

Why is it ok for rape victims to habitually and consistently be labelled liars without any due process or even a second thought? Why is that ok?

society chooses to protect and value men more than women.

That is one of the most distressing things about the replies on this thread.

Rapists are more important and valuable than their victims. Rapists must be protected at the cost of thousands upon thousands of ruined and shattered lives.

Merits (or not) of the idea aside, you seem to be proposing two separate things; the first a database for rape allegations, the second a GPS safety mechanism for sex workers/women at risk.

I'm confused, are these connected or are you proposing each independently. It might be better to start a new thread about the latter, you'd likely have a different debate, though similar things do already exist.

I don't think this is something which should be run by an individual. The police should do it, and afaik, they already do something similar.

If a woman was found to be making allegations against a string of men, I'd start to wonder how truthful those allegations were.

And women-hating idiocy like this is why the so-called grooming gangs weren't stopped.

Rapists are predators. They target vulnerable women. They target women who have been raped before. They target women who society puts in the dustbin as "not credible witnesses". It is sadly entirely plausible that a woman would be raped by multiple men.

@bridgetreilly

I don't think this is something which should be run by an individual. The police should do it, and afaik, they already do something similar.

Totally agree. It has to be official not random submissions.

How would you gather and hold the information? What if there was a mistake?

Do you know what GDPR is? This database would probably be illegal.

You can report things to police who don’t have to act on them if you don’t want, but will keep an open file, so if the man attacks again they have a record - a friend did this as she didn’t want to pursue it beyond telling them. This was in Manchester.

Maybe that’s a way forward?