Rape allegation database

[Roosterbooster99]

Sorry, posting for traffic. To distill, I was raped by a man and I know he has raped other people. All so called Date Rape. I know he has done it to other women before and after what happened to me. But usually when one man rapes a lot of unconnected women, especially after a drink etc the women end up in silos, not knowing he’s done it to others, questioning their own memory, blaming themselves etc, etc, etc.

And I’m sure lots of women, like me, won’t report it. Because it’s her word against his most of the time, and who wants to destroy their lives for 4% convictioncrates.

What I want to do is create an online database. Only visible to staff/administrators, but it would mean if a man was habitually date raping, evidence would build up and flag him.

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And when its youd husband or son or brother or father falsely accused by a malicious ex or rejected woman or just someone out for revenge you'll be happily adding them to your database will you?

Its interesting that so many of these posts mention wrongful conviction or malicious prosecution. I'm sure there are some cases of this but they are doubtless very rare.

Hardly any rapes get prosecuted. Thousands and thousands and thousands of women get raped and yet people"s first instinct is to defend men? Tbh if every man who had a rape accusation levelled against them was considered de facto guilty by society the simple fact is that most of them would actually really be guilty. However it's often a one word against the other situation and society chooses to protect and value men more than women. It may seem a shocking proposition to even consider the idea of looking at all these accused men and assuming guilt. It's not really, given that we as a society look at all the women who are raped and immediately assume they are not telling the truth.

Someone I used to work with cut contact with a family friend because after yet another women went to the police to report being date raped, he was finally charged and convicted, but several women had to be raped before that happened. Why? Why didn't society believe the first woman? How many women do you know that would make something like that up? In my many decades of life I know one who perhaps would. How many men have I met who would rape? Probably a lot more than one. The chap who date raped those women is now out of prison and with the exception of the lad who worked for me has been fully embraced back into his circle of friends. They don't care about this hateful abuse of women.

Society doesn't value women, it doesn't care about the degradation of rape. Better reporting would be a step in the right direction. I think it's a good idea, it should be done by the police though ideally and publicised that it is a service that exists, with support also offered for those who report, it would be step in the right direction, rape conviction rates are criminally low.

You'd be pretty unlucky to be "falsely" accused by several different women over a number of years though wouldnt you? I think if several previous girlfriends or work colleagues had "falsely " accused my husband of sexual assault I'd be wondering quite how false those accusations were.

@Onebigfoot I'm more concerned about the database being hacked and the details of victims, which should be anonymous, being made public. It would need tip top security before it went live.

GDPR?

You'd be pretty unlucky to be "falsely" accused by several different women over a number of years though wouldnt you? I think if several previous girlfriends or work colleagues had "falsely " accused my husband of sexual assault I'd be wondering quite how false those accusations were.

This. I think it's a good idea.

It sets a dangerous precedent.

Why stop at rape?

Have a database online for every crime and adds names if you want.

Appalling idea.

@galgaf12

Appalling idea on many levels.

A significant number of MNers(38% at the moment) like it. That says a lot about a significant number of MNers.

As of now, 33% of 48 MNers. So 16 people.

Hardly a significant number of MNers really, is it?

I think the idea needs more work.

There is no doubt that this sort of thing is affected by what goes on in a culture and the power relations involved. To tackle this, we need sometimes to think outside the box.

No one as I'm aware as mentioned Clare's law so far. I wonder how useful that might be and if you are aware of the reasons it was set up.

As far as allegations are concerned, it is very clear to those who read the press and are aware of the MeToo campaign that there is strength in numbers.

How did Weinstein go down? It seemed impossible, but it happened.

Has anyone noticed that the President of the U.S. Trump has been accused by two different women of assault. One recently in the Guardian? The woman in question said she was doing the interview because she had teenage daughters and would not want such a thing to happen to them...

Respect to her I would say. Admiration also to call out what she sees fit.

Personally I am hoping and praying that Trump will go the same way as Weinstein.

It’s something which should be held and managed officially not by a random member of the public

Due to technology, serious crime reports/tracking now is more coordinated than in the past. If you look at research you'll find that rape is typically not a once-off crime. The rapist typically has other offences, and other victims. Let this stuff up to the police!

If you feel up to it, and the associated trouble, then please report it (I did!).

I think it's great that you want to do something, Roosterbooster99, but as others have said, not in the form you're proposing. How about looking into what's already out there and whether they could be improved on or linked to other services, eg the regional rape support services that take the details of locals, are they linking to other regions? If not, is that something they could do? Could you get involved in something that's already running rather than setting something up yourself?

I couldn't bring myself to report to the police so I anonymously reported him to Crimestoppers. I think they have a sort of database, the type you are talking about? I'm not entirely sure tbh but it made me feel slightly better that I'd given his name to some sort of authority

@Onebigfoot
You might assume that a woman who says they've been raped is lying. I don't, and neither would anyone I know.

I’d like to pilot it initially with sex workers. National Ugly Mugs exists already, I am not sure whether there would be call for another similar database?

National Ugly Mugs exists already, I am not sure whether there would be call for another similar database?

National Ugly Mugs is not the same thing. They accept reports after an attack has happened. The sort of thing I am thinking of would allow sex workers to securely record their location and where they were going before they were attacked.

@Roosterbooster99

National Ugly Mugs exists already, I am not sure whether there would be call for another similar database?

National Ugly Mugs is not the same thing. They accept reports after an attack has happened. The sort of thing I am thinking of would allow sex workers to securely record their location and where they were going before they were attacked.

Your two ideas are very differently focused for one thing.

But I’m afraid logging accused rapists on a database managed by a mop is a complete no-goer. Agree conviction rates are disgusting though. I don’t know what the answer is.

I dont think its the sort of database that any old person should be able to have control of.

@Porcupineinwaiting

You'd be pretty unlucky to be "falsely" accused by several different women over a number of years though wouldnt you? I think if several previous girlfriends or work colleagues had "falsely " accused my husband of sexual assault I'd be wondering quite how false those accusations were.

Exactly

Horrible idea, sorry.

I don’t think its the sort of database that any old person should be able to have control of.

I wasn’t intending to just let anyone access it. I was intending to build an app then ask rape charities etc what they thought and if they would welcome collaborating (for free).

Horrible idea, sorry

Why?

This is a really bad idea for a multitude of reasons, but I hope you can channel your good intentions and determination into something else. Good luck OP.

Why? Because a data base like this runs the risk of an innocent person being accused of a horrible crime, that's why.