To wonder what the ‘sweeping new measures’ will be?

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As covered widely in the media, Boris Johnson is now said to be considering ‘sweeping new measures’ for the whole UK, sooner rather than later. What do people think these will be? No mixing between households? Pubs closed at 10pm?

I’m pissed off too with the castigation of everything as “selfish”. If you do one tiny wee thing that gives you any pleasure or makes your life a tiny bit better that’s “selfish”. Walking to a shop to buy a paper - selfish. Running out of milk and going to buy more - selfish. Going to a slightly further away supermarket to pick up socks with your shopping - selfish. Getting your groceries delivered - selfish. It’s absolutely sickening.

To shut us down as in the first time would be catastrophic to the economy. There will be no more furlough money etc. If pubs have to close altogether or at an earlier time it is their own fault. Restaurants are not always answering their phone for reservations so you have to email in ie they have your real contact details. The restaurants I frequent are totally compliant with the distancing etc and hygiene rulings. Supermarkets/shops should simply not let anyone in without a facemask.
The underground is all very well having 4 people at Tottenham Court Rd making sure you are wearing a face mask. Not however upheld on the actual train by idiot men and women with full make up !!!! So where are you when you should be policing this.
I do feel however that a lot of the lockdown is overdone. My daughter shoots me down on this. However in my world of 40 - 80 year olds I do not know of anyone that knows of anyone dying or indeed contracting Covid 19 !!!! But we are adhering to the rules. xx Be safe not sorry is my motto

Going walking, running or shopping are not selfish. Not wearing a mask in the shops or not maintaining social distancing is selfish.

I’ve been for a run, met a friend for coffee and nipped in the shop to buy an ice cream. All I enjoyed and no one else put at risk. The restrictions are mild - life is still enjoyable.

They will herd is into warehouses of 300+ people and insist we don't mix with our own family.

Seriously if the neoth East lockdown rules are anything to go by his help us. You can go to the pub and have a meal with 109s around you but can't see two.or three people in a family.

@MadameBlobby

I’m pissed off too with the castigation of everything as “selfish”. If you do one tiny wee thing that gives you any pleasure or makes your life a tiny bit better that’s “selfish”. Walking to a shop to buy a paper - selfish. Running out of milk and going to buy more - selfish. Going to a slightly further away supermarket to pick up socks with your shopping - selfish. Getting your groceries delivered - selfish. It’s absolutely sickening.

It’s classic propaganda: turn the people against one another. Make them scared.

Just wait...when the vaccine comes along it will be the “vaccinated” vs “super-spreaders”. They’ll probably issue people with ID cards to prove they’ve been vaccinated. You won’t be able to travel, go to pubs, go to work unless you have the ID card.

Ask yourselves why NONE of the mainstream media outlets are questioning the lockdown, even though a significant proportion of the population think it’s bullshit. Isn’t it the job of journos to ask tough questions?

Where do you think this is all leading up to? A vaccine... A vaccine that's been rushed through, skipper animal testing (though I don't agree with animal testing at all) a vaccine that all the big pharmas are rushing to make (and profit from) and inject us with God knows what so we can "go back to normal life"....pfft...I'm certainly not being injected with something that hasn't been around long enough to know what the side effects will be.

I think they'll do another lockdown... Or they'll do what they've done up here in Newcastle... Let the pubs/resteraunts remain open till 10 (because the virus has a watch don't you know) , still send people to school/work.. BUT you cannot mix with anyone outside of your household, that includes using family members/parents to continue to be childcare for your children so you'll have to go pay a qualified stranger to watch your kids instead so you can go to work.

And they'll of course blame protesters and conspiracy theorists for the higher rise in cases... (absolute nothing to do with encouraging the nation to eat out to help out Monday-wed every week for the past few months) (where they didn't need to wear a mask to eat or get pissed in a bar)

There's a rise in cases because more people are getting tested...what do they plan to do exactly... I honestly wouldn't put it past them if they start introducing rules where you need some sort of digital immunity proof to say you've been tested.. So you can to back to "normal life"..go to work, gain entrance to shops, pubs etc. How's that going to work? Are they going to test the whole nation weekly until there's a vaccine?

Sweden did it right. They had a higher death rate in the beginning but they also had herd immunity and now have no deaths and have returned to normal life. We haven't given it the opportunity to have herd immunity.. So of course when you release everyone people are going to catch bugs. Kids always get colds this time of year when they go back to school.

Yes, the vaccine will be de facto compulsory. You won’t be held down and injected against your will, but you’ll need to have it to access public services, workplaces, travel. It’ll become part of places being “Covid secure”. I’m pro vaccine and have no real issue with that tbh, I’ve supported mandatory vaccination for a long time (medical issues notwithstanding) but I know a lot of people do

@Parker231

Going walking, running or shopping are not selfish. Not wearing a mask in the shops or not maintaining social distancing is selfish.

I’ve been for a run, met a friend for coffee and nipped in the shop to buy an ice cream. All I enjoyed and no one else put at risk. The restrictions are mild - life is still enjoyable.

Above you can see people have already been turned. There’s no going back for them.

“Life is still enjoyable, restrictions are mild”. Parker231 has fully embraced the restrictions and wouldn’t be too fussed if things never return to normal.

Don’t be like Parker231...

Because a significant proportion of the population are also stupid. Like, so very stupid they'd compare rules around Covid to Nazi Germany.

gje943 Ask yourselves why NONE of the mainstream media outlets are questioning the lockdown, even though a significant proportion of the population think it’s bullshit. Isn’t it the job of journos to ask tough questions? THIS!!

Also question why the MSM aren't reporting on the mass protests that are happening all over the world. 40k odd in trafalgar Square the other week... Hundreds of thousands in other cities across the globe... The media: crickets.

All because it doesn't suit the narrative.

When you have people in such a state of fear they're easier to control.

Sweden do NOT have herd immunity. Nowhere near!!

What a joke!!

Why another lock down!! The press are playing everyone like puppets! If they were not there reporting numbers like they are none of this would've happened!!

It's a virus!! Just like cold and flu healthy people are not dropping down dead! Yes it's awful for people with pre existing issues but they could become ill from flu etc!

All of a sudden 1000's are getting tested a day! If you were that Ill could they all spend hours queuing with other 'sick' people?!

People need to get back on with their normal lives. Children at school and the world to get going again! Honestly it's bloody crazy!!

@MadameBlobby

Yes, the vaccine will be de facto compulsory. You won’t be held down and injected against your will, but you’ll need to have it to access public services, workplaces, travel. It’ll become part of places being “Covid secure”. I’m pro vaccine and have no real issue with that tbh, I’ve supported mandatory vaccination for a long time (medical issues notwithstanding) but I know a lot of people do

They are starting to say now that a vaccine may not be available to the majority til 2022, even 2023. Only 1 in 10 are predicted to have the vaccine by the end of next year. This isnt going to fixed by a vaccine. So are we all ok with being put on lockdown every 6-8 weeks for the foreseeable?

@BKCRMP

I think life will just end up go to work/school only.

Then I may as well kill myself because ill have absolutely nothing left

@gje943 - your comments are becoming ridiculous! My life has changed drastically due to Covid - DH is a doctor and worked on a Covid ward, DT’s had no Uni graduation, DH and my families live overseas so no idea when we will be able to see them again and now DD has just started work in Brussels and we can’t visit.

A lockdown is short term but for the long term aim of getting a vaccine and normal life again.

@Redwine125 you may not want to take the vaccine and I totally agree with you there.

But what if your place of work mandates it? What if you can’t access NHS services without your “immunity ID”? Because that’s what will happen.

I have reported gje943.

[quote gje943]@Redwine125 you may not want to take the vaccine and I totally agree with you there.

But what if your place of work mandates it? What if you can’t access NHS services without your “immunity ID”? Because that’s what will happen.[/quote]
Is that before or after Bill Gates and the shapechanging lizard people round us all up to sacrifice to the 5G gods?

Immediate red flags: use of "MSM"/"the narrative" /stupid ahistorical comparisons to Nazi Germany. Should disqualify people from any grown-up conversation immediately.

@Mimimouse4

What a joke!!

Why another lock down!! The press are playing everyone like puppets! If they were not there reporting numbers like they are none of this would've happened!!

It's a virus!! Just like cold and flu healthy people are not dropping down dead! Yes it's awful for people with pre existing issues but they could become ill from flu etc!

All of a sudden 1000's are getting tested a day! If you were that Ill could they all spend hours queuing with other 'sick' people?!

People need to get back on with their normal lives. Children at school and the world to get going again! Honestly it's bloody crazy!!

Virus' do t usually kill 10's of thousands of people in a few months.

I agree a national lockdown wouldn't be a good idea but national containment by limiting travel would.

There is a chance cases will rise rapidly again.

I think if people adhered to the guidelines more readily then we would t be facing this.

But we have to accept if people don't do as asked based on scientific advice there will be a knock on effect.

And it's stupid guidelines at times. Talk of 2 week school shut down but the guidelines for ARPs and PRUs and special schools is that they'll never close again.
They tend to have the most medically vulnerable students

@hatebeak

Because a significant proportion of the population are also stupid. Like, so very stupid they'd compare rules around Covid to Nazi Germany.

Calling the police because your neighbour has 7 people in the garden.

Calling the police because your neighbour is hiding Jews.

Both are designed to turn people against each other. “Them” vs “us”. How can you not see the parallels?

Our school has 2 weeks off for half term

@hatebeak Because a significant proportion of the population are also stupid. Like, so very stupid they'd compare rules around Covid to Nazi Germany.

Why is it deemed "stupid" to ask questions when things don't add up... When there's scientists/nurses/Dr's out there with a long career within the industry, now losing thier jobs for speaking out about it? Are they suddenly discredited because their science gives a different result?

Also regards to people comparing it to Nazi Germany, I can understand why they'd think that... Boris Johnson wrote a book on Winston Churchill.. But it wasn't about him at all, it was more about how the nazis came to power in Germany and how Hitler pulled it off. It all boiled down to installing fear in the people for mass compliance. Introducing rules in different stages.. Warming the public up to new rules gradually... Slogans everywhere "this is for your own safety"... And of course the next thing to happen was the resistance, which wasn't necessarily the police discovering those members, but rather neighbours and other people snitching ie. "I think my neighbours got someone hiding in thier attic"... The government this week have encouraged people to be curtain twitches and grass on people who aren't complying to the rule of 6.

Im not saying these are MY personal views, but I can understand why people are comparing it.

Reporting people for having an observation... So people aren't allowed to form thier own opinion and have a discussion around this now? Righto.

You should hang your head in shame if you think it’s like Nazi Germany. Do you know what the Nazis actually did? Went a bit beyond fining people for holding house parties.