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To wonder what the ‘sweeping new measures’ will be?

405 replies

Greatthumbsdown · 19/09/2020 15:30

As covered widely in the media, Boris Johnson is now said to be considering ‘sweeping new measures’ for the whole UK, sooner rather than later. What do people think these will be? No mixing between households? Pubs closed at 10pm?

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Parker231 · 21/09/2020 08:35

Well we’re now in September with no end in sight and a very strong chance that Christmas will be cancelled.

Why on earth would anyone think Christmas will be cancelled? People are getting ridiculous!

TheBeatGoesOn · 21/09/2020 08:38

Yep, lock away all the shielders. As long as you're OK. Confused

petingo · 21/09/2020 08:54

Those who need to shield/self isolate because of age/underlying health reasons should do so.Everyone else should carry on as normal.Let the thing blow itself out.If the economy is trashed because of endless "lockdowns" etc,then we will have nothing,no NHS,people being left with nothing,no home,nothing.I have been self isolating since March and will continue to do so until I feel I do not need to do so.I have had to give up all my outside leisure pursuits because they are not allowed,but stay strong mentally.If I were of working age and healthy,I would be going to work.

Redwine125 · 21/09/2020 09:07

@Smallereveryday When you did your degree and masters were you not required to do any research? and to ensure that the source from where that research were sourced was factually correct ?

Yep, of course I did. Some of these videos I've been watching provide links to leaked documents written years ago, or documents that you can find now with a quick search on the Internet... Whilst others dont. Some I take with a pinch of salt, others I don't. But, like I've said before in this thread, I personally like to hear All observations/opinions from either side and form my own opinion, rather than just listen to what the news tells me. We're all allowed to think for ourselves...

ineedaholidaynow · 21/09/2020 09:07

Christmas won’t be cancelled, it may be different but not cancelled. Might be nice to not be so commercial and wasteful as it has got over the years.

Redwine125 · 21/09/2020 09:10

I should also mention these videos aren't just from any Joe blogs on the street either, they're interviews with doctors, nurses, physicians etc who have a long extensive career within the medical industry... Some very respected "experts in thier field" if you like, its interesting to get thier view on it. I'm allowed to watch these and form my own opinion without it all being censored and forced to just think the same way as everybody else.

Feminist10101 · 21/09/2020 09:18

@Redwine125

I should also mention these videos aren't just from any Joe blogs on the street either, they're interviews with doctors, nurses, physicians etc who have a long extensive career within the medical industry... Some very respected "experts in thier field" if you like, its interesting to get thier view on it. I'm allowed to watch these and form my own opinion without it all being censored and forced to just think the same way as everybody else.
Might be more convincing if you could spell “their” correctly.........
rookiemere · 21/09/2020 09:18

@ineedaholidaynow but the key thing about Christmas is meeting up with friends and extended family.
If that's not allowed then all there is is a big dinner and some presents. Commercial aspect could in fact be worse as without the gathering of family, all that's left is the shopping.

Friend who makes specific gifts has already received many more orders for Christmas goods as people want to get in early and think they won't see their family then.

bemusedmoose · 21/09/2020 09:28

Whatever it is it will be a complete cock up - Johnson couldn't organise a bun fight in a bakery.

Honestly I think it will be a half heart lockdown, one that's too short to make a difference but makes him look like he did something.

ineedaholidaynow · 21/09/2020 09:31

@rookiemere I was thinking more along the lines of piling up trolley after trolley of food and booze you see in supermarkets, some of which must go to waste. All the plastic tat and unwanted presents, it’s not needed. Yes it will be hard not seeing relatives but then again you see many threads on here over the Christmas period with people stressing over which relatives to see and when, travelling all over the country because they feel they have to, for some a more basic Christmas will be a much better thing.

Wannabangbang · 21/09/2020 09:40

Their wishy washy rules aren't working are they and keeping schools open and care homes and pubs however much needed needs to be stopped before this turns into march again. The quicker they gain control of this the sooner we can get back to normal. Locking down properly too late was their disaster last time, i hope Boris doesn't make the same mistakes

derxa · 21/09/2020 09:46

Too late, the pasta shelves at my local Waitrose were bare yesterday. Tinned good shelves also looked a bit meh. Flour is restricted and I saw a woman buying baking staples in large numbers. FFS I'm sure some people see this as a sport.

Parker231 · 21/09/2020 10:38

We were in Tesco’s and M&S yesterday - no panic buying and full shelves.

Hingeandbracket · 21/09/2020 10:41

Hopefully Boris's sweeping new measures will be having a look for some people who are not total cunts to run the country and then quitting.

StealthPolarBear · 21/09/2020 10:45

Not anoctopus, no socialising indoors or out has been the rule here in the North East since Friday

Redwine125 · 21/09/2020 10:47

@Feminist10101 Might be more convincing if you could spell “their” correctly......... oh ffs. No need to be so anal.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 21/09/2020 11:10

[quote Redwine125]**@Feminist10101* Might be more convincing if you could spell “their” correctly.........* oh ffs. No need to be so anal.[/quote]
I agree

Spelling are not a sign of anyone’s intelligence or academic ability

Dismissing a post because there is a spelling mistake is short sighted

BikeTyson · 21/09/2020 11:24

Why on earth would anyone think Christmas will be cancelled? People are getting ridiculous!

Well that depends what Christmas means to you. My church is closed. No carol services, children’s mass or Christmas Eve mass. I’m not allowed to see my parents, siblings, nieces, in-laws. We can’t share a meal or hug each other. Those things are a big deal for me.

BikeTyson · 21/09/2020 11:25

Christmas won’t be cancelled, it may be different but not cancelled. Might be nice to not be so commercial and wasteful as it has got over the years

Well under our local restrictions I can go out to buy as much plastic tat as I want but not go to church or see my family. The commercial and wasteful elements are going to be all that’s still allowed.

ineedaholidaynow · 21/09/2020 11:34

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IncandescentSilver · 21/09/2020 11:41

I think the current government make decisions based on focus group surveys - thats what Cummings, etc are there for, and this is more to do with preventing the current government from losing popularity and being blamed by the media for "excess deaths" than informed decison-making.

Like many lawyers, I'm concerned at how human rights and basic freedoms have been swept aside so easily. We now seem to have no proper separation of powers in this country and the constitution isn't working particularly well. I don't really think that doctors and scientists should be allowed to inform policy too much - statistical modelling is only as good as the data put in and the algorithms used, and they always seem to produce ridiculously inaccurate predictions. Likewise, some doctors, particularly those who seem to worm their way into government advisor roles, are ridiculously risk averse and would love to lock everyone away semi-permanently, so there is no risk of any injury, illness or accident whatsoever.

Reminds me of the famous orthopeadic surgeon in London's approach, who is often quoted in such as the Daily Mail saying things like women are too fragile to do sport - 7 years ago, he examined my MRI scan and informed me that I would have to stop doing all sport because of my knees and that, apparently, I couldn't use stairs any more. 5 months later, I comleted an Ironman triathlon, last year I completed 11 shorter distance triathlons and I run 5 days per week!

Anyway, I digress, but it just shows you how ridiculously risk averse some medics are.

There are guidelines written into the European Convention on Human Rights and Syraceuse Principles regarding the conditions under which human rights can be removed by governments, and without going into detail, the government is now in breach of those and has been since the crisis in the NHS eased/was never as serious as people thought.

There is simply not enough justification for restricting peoples' liberty in this way. The government is required by international law and by the Human Rights Act in the UK to be reactionary, not precautionary, in measures it takes - ie it must wait for the evidence to show that restrictions must be imposed, it should not impose restrictions on peoples freedoms just in case.

And that just in case is very much about protecting political reputations and future electability. This stop start system is damaging people and the economy and it isn't stopping the virus because the Swedish example indicates that it is less costly, in terms of lives in the long run, to let it runs its course.

At this rate too, people are going to be so unexposed to general viruses such as flu that excess deaths from it are going to balloon. And already in the last weeks, we have had 11 times as many people dieing from flu and pneumonia than from Covid-19.

MarshaBradyo · 21/09/2020 11:42

@BikeTyson

Christmas won’t be cancelled, it may be different but not cancelled. Might be nice to not be so commercial and wasteful as it has got over the years

Well under our local restrictions I can go out to buy as much plastic tat as I want but not go to church or see my family. The commercial and wasteful elements are going to be all that’s still allowed.

Church and religious ceremonies have proven to be tricky in this pandemic across a few countries. It’s a particularly difficult area.
BikeTyson · 21/09/2020 11:45

Church and religious ceremonies have proven to be tricky in this pandemic across a few countries. It’s a particularly difficult area.

Yes I fully support the decision to keep it closed, and it’s a vulnerable congregation demographically. Still feel like I’m allowed to feel a bit sad about it though. I really missed it is as part of Easter and didn’t think we’d still be in this position at Christmas.

MarshaBradyo · 21/09/2020 11:46

Bike of course you are. It is sad and it might be something that brings you extra comfort and support atm. It is harder to not have that.

TheBeatGoesOn · 21/09/2020 12:13

To me it will be more of a social lockdown more than economic or as stringent as March. With that said, I can't see it making much difference. If schools,non essential shops and workplaces are still allowed to open then it isn't a lockdown. Confused