To wonder what the ‘sweeping new measures’ will be?

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As covered widely in the media, Boris Johnson is now said to be considering ‘sweeping new measures’ for the whole UK, sooner rather than later. What do people think these will be? No mixing between households? Pubs closed at 10pm?

Oh god if the schools close again they might as well stay shut forever. Can't keep fucking up our kids education.
I'm sick of the government lying, they promised schools would stay open, obviously just another lie.

While I can see the reason behind a 10pm curfew to close pubs earlier and stop some of the house parties - what happens if you actually work? My swimming lesson finishes at 9.30. I leave right away but some people use the changing rooms and the staff have to clean and close everything up. They probably don't even finish until 10. Then you have the shops that are open until eg 11 or 24 hours. Will everyone have to carry something saying they are on their way home from work (or going to collect someone from work)? I said on another thread that it feels quite WW2.

The spread would slow down and the restrictions be lifted if everyone stuck to the six people group limit, social distancing, mask wearing and hand washing. Too many people are ignoring the regulations so things will have to get tougher

I agree. Although having enough tests for school staff and pupils would help a lot, too.

Face masks in public
I’ve not read thread so sorry if already suggested

@Rosebel

Oh god if the schools close again they might as well stay shut forever. Can't keep fucking up our kids education. I'm sick of the government lying, they promised schools would stay open, obviously just another lie.

I’d rather children and their families had their health and lives over education. Education can take place anywhere anytime and gaps can be caught up on.

Wanting schools to remain open at any cost is madness. What about staff and the vulnerable, don’t they matter as long as parents don’t have to educate or look after the children?

All those saying gaps in education can be caught up are not thinking of SEN children. My child has regressed in pretty much every developmental category. He's back where he was last September. If we lockdown again he will be back even further. And he will not catch up quickly, because he is autistic.

Utter utter fucking nonsense.
All of it.
Everyone panicking for fucking what???
People need to get a fucking grip and get on with life. We dont need a lockdown we dont need some dodgy as fuck vaccine. We need to start living again. Fucking ridiculous. All of it.
I dont use masks and to fuck with the rules.

The spread would slow down and the restrictions be lifted if everyone stuck to the six people group limit, social distancing, mask wearing and hand washing. Too many people are ignoring the regulations so things will have to get tougher

What about in all these other wonderful “caring” countries full of “compliant” and “considerate” people that I keep reading about? The increase is just because things are opening again. Which is tough shit really as they can’t stay closed forever

Apparently restrictions take a few weeks to show if they work. Why do they keep doing this, more restrictions and then more again before even seeing if the first lot worked? Useless bastards.

@mintyfreshh

All those saying gaps in education can be caught up are not thinking of SEN children. My child has regressed in pretty much every developmental category. He's back where he was last September. If we lockdown again he will be back even further. And he will not catch up quickly, because he is autistic.

Correct. No one gave a fuck about them before, they certainly won’t now.

@Hairwizard - what a lovely selfish attitude. I hope you don’t meet any families of the thousands who have died. Perhaps you should start listening to the scientists!

I’m so fed up with people like you and their pathetic, lazy, snide comments and insinuations that people don’t want to educate or look after their own children, @IceCreamAndCandyfloss. I’m not a teacher any more than I’m a brain surgeon. It’s nothing to do with not wanting to teach them but I don’t have the ability to teach one child with complex special needs and the other extremely bright and advanced one studying for National 5 exams largely in subjects I haven’t studied. And even the ones I did study was nigh on 30 years ago.

If yours are in primary and NT it might be easier for you to sign your children’s right to an education away but it isn’t for everyone.

@OhTheRoses

We had a hard lockdown in March but no masks and still shopped for groceries. It went on and on and there was little immunity build-up. We now have three mechanisms to treat the virus in those who are very unwell. The majority of people will not be very unwell.

Continue with masks
Continue with social distancing
Keep schools and universities open
Keep shops open
Keep workplaces open
Step up cleanliness
Stop households mixing indoors except for registered support bubbles
Rule of six outside
Curfew bars and restaurants
Keep theatres, stadiums, cinemas closed, nightclubs closed
Query gyms
Only essential foreign travel and quarantine/testing
Vulnerable shielding continues if those people wish
Sort out the testing fiasco
Consider anti-body testing

I can't see how it's in anyone's best interest to lock down again. I would only contemplate a lockdown if the NHS gets overwhelmed.

The thing is, cinemas, theatres, nightclubs etc are workplaces too. And the people working in those sectors especially the arts are getting little to no support from the government. And those venues will permanently close unless they get funding.

[quote Parker231]@Hairwizard - what a lovely selfish attitude. I hope you don’t meet any families of the thousands who have died. Perhaps you should start listening to the scientists![/quote]
The scientists who don’t even agree on the second wave and whether further measures are required?

@Hairwizard

Utter utter fucking nonsense. All of it. Everyone panicking for fucking what??? People need to get a fucking grip and get on with life. We dont need a lockdown we dont need some dodgy as fuck vaccine. We need to start living again. Fucking ridiculous. All of it. I dont use masks and to fuck with the rules.

Agree with most of this. Carl Henegan the director of evidence based medicine at Oxford was on tv this morning saying that the virus is doing exactly what they expect it to do. It’s a seasonal respiratory virus just like all the others around. He was clear that cases will rise but it will be December/January when it will peak, just like other viruses. His view was clear the evidence is there that the most at risk are 70+ and predominantly the most at risk are those that are already frail ( care homes). We should be protecting those people but allow the spread in other age groups much like we do with other viruses. Now of course we don’t have a vaccine yet so we need to look at other ways to protect those most at risk without locking down the whole population. He also mentioned that the tests are too sensitive and are reporting positives in people who have had the virus but have long since recovered so are no longer infectious. Think the government need to start taking more notice of people like him.

@payens

Well, madame blobby, seems you think it's ok for people to die, tell that to my daughter a front line NHS doctor trying to save people. 2nd lock down inevitable.

It’s not that I think it’s Ok for people to die but it’s kind of just what happens when there’s an illness that kills people going around. There is only much that it’s feasible to do to stop it. Nice way to get in a boast about your daughter and her job though.

I have complied with all rules so far but there is fuck all chance I’ll be wearing a mask in the open air. They need to actually provide the evidence base for measures as its starting to look like just doing things for the sake of it.

Children can't just catch up. My Y8 has regressed in every subject. Is she supposed to catch up in another lockdown (she's autistic). My Y10 is meant to be preparing for exams or should she just not bother?
Schools need to be open and face the risk like the hundreds of others in jobs on the front line.

I read about a 2 week " circuit breaker" lockdown to see if they can stagger the movement of the virus ..

Call me a selfish moron all you like. I dont give 2 fucks. And im not the only one.

Im in n.i. death rate has ridiculously low compared to positive test results which is what they are hellbent on focussing on.

It doesnt add up. End of. Hysteria for what??

Why isnt the daily diagnosis/death number for cancer/cvd/diabetes etc being announced like they are with this? Millions more will die from those.
There are more dying per week of suicide than of CONvid.

@cassgate
100%

@gje943 do you expect people to listen to you when you are so rude?

Wish people would stop saying NHs wasn't overwhelmed.

They cut all non emergency surgery.

GP apt mainly telephone only and many areas still no basic services.

No hospital appointments and 2ww pats taking 8 weeks in places.

Some places stopped cancer treatment.

Dentists shut and many still not fully operational.

I know this isn't nationally and some places have greater service than others. But the nhs couldn't cope and that's why we shut down a great proportion of it.

Plus do we really want more drs and nurses suffering the after effects of what they witnessed the first time? Many are suffering MH difficulties after what they experienced and witnessed

I do hope though they don't go for national lockdown.

My town had 3 weeks of no cases. 2 weeks of 3 a week and now 4 weeks of 8 a week.

What benefit would a NL bring to our area?

I agree travel restrictions to prevent seeding events and lockdowns in areas of high cases.

Perhaps a halt on opening up further.

But with areas with guns and pools and schools open and no immediate effect showing what exactly would a lockdown achieve?

Agree with Hairwizard.

We're all going to die, sadly Covid illustrates that the NHS is not fit for purpose.

I had cancer last year, my treatment was quick and effective, and I'm bloody lucky. I've heard far too many times this year that GPs aren't seeing patients, so who knows what my prospects would be if I was presenting with those symptoms now?

Why does Covid trump cancer, heart attack, strokes, sepsis?

Our childrens' futures are being screwed by the stupid, stupid knee jerk reaction of our government and our media. I wanted to be ruled by people who were less stupid than me - it seems not ...

My father in law is 82, we've seen him every 3 weeks, even in lockdown. We're all clear that we want quality over quantity, and if he were to die next week, I'd not be feeling awful for not seeing him for 6 months.

Life is for living, not existing.