To wonder what the ‘sweeping new measures’ will be?

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As covered widely in the media, Boris Johnson is now said to be considering ‘sweeping new measures’ for the whole UK, sooner rather than later. What do people think these will be? No mixing between households? Pubs closed at 10pm?

@Hairwizard

Utter utter fucking nonsense. All of it. Everyone panicking for fucking what??? People need to get a fucking grip and get on with life. We dont need a lockdown we dont need some dodgy as fuck vaccine. We need to start living again. Fucking ridiculous. All of it. I dont use masks and to fuck with the rules.

Righto then. I wonder if you were one of the evangelists telling teachers to resign because they must have been mentally unwell to be worried about going back to full opening. That would be ironic.

Tbh it just gets to the point where I want to keep my head down and concentrate on my life.

I dont want school to shut, or anything to shut again. Shops could stay open if they did limit numbers etc.

What I cant do again is keep going with things like being a school governor. I just feel like the last lockdown was survival mode. I couldn't deal with the judging, spying, nastiness.

It makes me want to cut myself off from the world.

@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

So, children can be taught anywhere and can catch up?

My DD is in Y9 now, no way I can teach her (even if I wouldn’t work 9-5 with no way to change that even with wfh) or DH who works full time as well.

She had already severe issues with science despite all help given by the school, she has issues with processing texts and is currently tested for processing dyslexia. Sure, I can just put her on front of her laptop like the last months and all will be well.

How do you think a secondary school child can catch up in a class of 30 without us paying for a tutor?

Schools have to stay open.

gje943 I can't believe that you can't see how insulting it is to draw that parallel. It would be funny if it wasn't so unspeakably crass.

@hatebeak

gje943 I can't believe that you can't see how insulting it is to draw that parallel. It would be funny if it wasn't so unspeakably crass.

Ridicule all you like but I haven’t actually seen a counter-argument from you other than “don’t be so ridiculous” etc etc.

@Flittingaboutagain

There is a thread on here about laptops and teachers are saying they have been told by DfE to prepare online only learning from end of September in case schools have to shut.

We are a primary and about a week ago we were given a form from school, basically a consultation on what worked for our kids and what we would need (pens, etc), and what access to tech we had. School had been told that they had to have plans in place for end of September.

In Lanarkshire we're already banned from mixing with any other households.

I can't see them wanting another full lockdown so I don't know how else they can slow the spread. The virus never really went away and emerging from lockdown has let it go again, so I'm despairing as to how we can stop increasing numbers of people being admitted to hospital. The thought of being back to hearing that hundreds of people are dying from this awful virus each day is unbearable.

@mintyfreshh I totally get this! I have a vcb dd who has a pda profile and is autistic and she has regressed so much it's been very hard on the rest of us especially her siblings during this. No one has given two shits about her or us during lockdown - SEN children are always bottom of the pile

I wear a mask.. One because I don't deny there is something out there making people sick.. And 2. Because I have a 6 month old baby, and can't be bothered with nasty people approaching me or accusing me of spreading covid... Ive complied to the rules.. I'm in and out of a shop for basic groceries within less than an hour... I don't mingle with friends... I don't go to pubs, resteraunts...All I do is take my daughter for a walk or go see my mum. But I won't be taking the vaccine.. Its a basic human right to decided what you do with your own body and I feel like slowly, our human rights will be taken away from us... Again that's just my observation.

We probably will be a divided nation.. But I respect people's choices, if they want to take a vaccine or be tested continuously because they think it helps protect themselves and thier families.. That's absolutely up to them... The same as I think people who don't want to take a vaccine or be tested every week... Should be treated with the same respect. Its our bodies at the end of the day.

Ridicule all you like but I haven’t actually seen a counter-argument from you other than “don’t be so ridiculous” etc etc.

If you tell on your neighbours for holding a house party currently, they might get fined.

If you told on your neighbours for harbouring Jews in Nazi Germany, they and the people they were hiding would get packed into cargo trains under conditions illegal for cattle and taken off to camps, where Jews and any other 'undesirables' might be starved, tortured, forced to work as slave labour, and sooner or later brutally murdered, for no other reason than that the Nazis came to power on a wave of poisonous antisemitism which called them vermin and blamed them for every actual or imagined bad thing that had ever happened. Millions of people this happened to. Old people. Young people. Babies. Murdered.

So I'm sorry your neighbours twitch their curtains, that is indeed annoying, but it is really not like Nazi Germany and you have utterly lost it if you think it is.

Unless you think that it's mostly just the same, because the real awfulness in Nazi Germany was not all the murdering and hatred and torture and starvation but the part where neighbours reported each other?

They are starting to say now that a vaccine may not be available to the majority til 2022, even 2023. Only 1 in 10 are predicted to have the vaccine by the end of next year. This isnt going to fixed by a vaccine. So are we all ok with being put on lockdown every 6-8 weeks for the foreseeable?

We’ll be in the 1 in 10 though. It’s the poor countries that won’t be. It’s ridiculous to suggest lockdowns for that long. Someone today on a thread suggested these 2 week circuit breakers going on continuously until a vaccine. Totally out of touch with reality.

People just won’t give a shit and will stop complying.

[quote reluctantbrit]@IceCreamAndCandyfloss

So, children can be taught anywhere and can catch up?

My DD is in Y9 now, no way I can teach her (even if I wouldn’t work 9-5 with no way to change that even with wfh) or DH who works full time as well.

She had already severe issues with science despite all help given by the school, she has issues with processing texts and is currently tested for processing dyslexia. Sure, I can just put her on front of her laptop like the last months and all will be well.

How do you think a secondary school child can catch up in a class of 30 without us paying for a tutor?

Schools have to stay open.[/quote]
Yep.

My son wants to do Medicine which is already hugely competitive. I’ll get tutors to catch him up if I need to. Not everyone can afford that.

gje943 - I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this but... one, the result of a complex, deep-rooted and profound history of European antisemitism that led to millions of deaths. The other, theoretical people being pissed off that their grotesquely selfish neighbours think the rules don't apply to them, maybe because their sense of self is so fragile that they cannot bear the thought somebody might tell them they have to do something, like stroppy teens told to do their homework and whining about their "freedoms". Order of magnitude: not the same. It's so insulting to suggest otherwise. Your right to have your mates round not the same as somebody's right to live. So yeah, "ridiculous" pretty much covers it.

People already aren't complying. Everyone up my way are still saying they're going to use thier parents as childcare because they simply can't afford to pay someone to do it. Nearly every mum was kicking off and rightly so. It's fine if your sitting tidy in a big house, financially secure with disposable money to pay someone, but for parents who don't...it wouldn't be worth them working. They'd be forking out more than they earn and so a lot are having to break the rules in order to work.

i am a little confused , during the first lockdown my husband and I were shielding, so now , do we stay at home as last time or are we allowed out, i am confused

It doesn't look like I will be going home this side of new year, I've been at my mum's with ds since just before Christmas due to illness, was unable to go home for lockdown due to not getting any diagnosis or treatment. I'm just going through diagnosis now & if hospitals stop doing diagnosis work & clinics, can't see me getting sorted before Christmas. My mum & I have been having a discussion today about sorting food for Christmas over the next 6 weeks or so in case we can't get delivery slots closer to christmas. I hope schools don't get closed, ds has just started Y12 & is just getting back in to the routine of going to school after nearly 6 months off.

@Nat6999 I don't think they'll close the schools. I think if it does happen it will be in the half term so that they don't have to close them.

We can’t stay in lockdown until there is a vaccine, if ever. We need mitigating policies eg how to restructure education and healthcare.
But frankly if this govt can’t work out how to enforce masks or shut down raves I have no hope they can get a grip.
Meanwhile it is the law abiding folk who sacrifice the little family contact they have.

As well as taking note of other comments to @gje943, I suggest this poster familiarise themselves with Godwin’s law : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

@GoldenOmber

Ridicule all you like but I haven’t actually seen a counter-argument from you other than “don’t be so ridiculous” etc etc.

If you tell on your neighbours for holding a house party currently, they might get fined.

If you told on your neighbours for harbouring Jews in Nazi Germany, they and the people they were hiding would get packed into cargo trains under conditions illegal for cattle and taken off to camps, where Jews and any other 'undesirables' might be starved, tortured, forced to work as slave labour, and sooner or later brutally murdered, for no other reason than that the Nazis came to power on a wave of poisonous antisemitism which called them vermin and blamed them for every actual or imagined bad thing that had ever happened. Millions of people this happened to. Old people. Young people. Babies. Murdered.

So I'm sorry your neighbours twitch their curtains, that is indeed annoying, but it is really not like Nazi Germany and you have utterly lost it if you think it is.

Unless you think that it's mostly just the same, because the real awfulness in Nazi Germany was not all the murdering and hatred and torture and starvation but the part where neighbours reported each other?

Thanks for your reply.

Of course the two situations are markedly different in a number of ways. I was more drawing comparisons with how normal people can be persuaded by government propaganda to snitch on their neighbours and effectively become brainwashed (wearing masks, support damaging lockdowns etc).

So many people out there know of nobody who’s even had Coronavirus, yet they’ll watch BBC news and get worked up into a frenzy thinking this is Armageddon. I know how damaging the propaganda can be...my grandma has been turned into a paranoid mess and a shell of her former self simply from watching the news.

I think the comparison is valid but you obviously have a very different POV and that’s fine.

@gje943

See my post above - under Godwin’s law, you automatically lose the argument.

Godwin's Law! Thanks. That's been niggling at me.

I believe it will be:

Stopping households mixing
Possible closure of pubs - or early closure as a minimum
Not to use public transport unless it is absolutely essential
Everyone to work from home where possible

Or
Two weeks holiday at October half term
Full lockdown

@hatebeak

gje943 - I can't believe I'm getting drawn into this but... one, the result of a complex, deep-rooted and profound history of European antisemitism that led to millions of deaths. The other, theoretical people being pissed off that their grotesquely selfish neighbours think the rules don't apply to them, maybe because their sense of self is so fragile that they cannot bear the thought somebody might tell them they have to do something, like stroppy teens told to do their homework and whining about their "freedoms". Order of magnitude: not the same. It's so insulting to suggest otherwise. Your right to have your mates round not the same as somebody's right to live. So yeah, "ridiculous" pretty much covers it.

Haha your post is a classic example of exactly what I’m talking about.

You’re being turned against people who are living normal lives. Someone has friends over they’re “grotesque” and “selfish”. Can’t you see what is happening to yourself and this country?

I wonder if Boris could say anything you wouldn’t believe/comply with?

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