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To not want an unlicensed Covid vaccine that govt and pharma would have no liability for?

165 replies

colouringindoors · 18/09/2020 20:29

This consultation closes tonight.

While I am totally pro vaccination, the govt are proposing to:

a) distribute an unlicensed vaccine (hasn't gone through full testing).
b) remove any liability for negative side effects from pharma companies and government.
c) let vaccine be administered by non healthcare professionals (scope unlimited).

These regulations will be put in place for Covid vaccine, but not limited to Covid.

OP posts:
tornadoalley · 20/09/2020 09:34

But it will be fully tested. It's currently going through the third and final stage of testing, which is widespread large trials.

Unlicensed medications, ie used to treat conditions other than what they are tested for, are not rare at all. It happens very commonly.

Potterpotterpotter · 20/09/2020 09:38

Lots of people won’t take the vaccine. Myself and my family included.

A lot will take the vaccine.

Up to the individual.

Shooglywheel · 20/09/2020 09:41

If it’s so safe why don’t all new vaccines make it to the market this quick?

MadameBlobby · 20/09/2020 09:45

I have a lot of otherwise sensible and intelligent people on my SM waffling on about this and saying they won’t have the vaccine due to the potential long term effects. Thing is we don’t know the long term effects of Covid either. It’s not like they can just refuse a vaccine and will definitely be fine. They could still end up with Covid and worse long term effects than from the vaccine

MadameBlobby · 20/09/2020 09:45

@Shooglywheel

If it’s so safe why don’t all new vaccines make it to the market this quick?
This has been explained many times on this thread and many others.
Potterpotterpotter · 20/09/2020 09:48

@MadameBlobby

I have a lot of otherwise sensible and intelligent people on my SM waffling on about this and saying they won’t have the vaccine due to the potential long term effects. Thing is we don’t know the long term effects of Covid either. It’s not like they can just refuse a vaccine and will definitely be fine. They could still end up with Covid and worse long term effects than from the vaccine
But that’s their choice. If they feel the long term effects from covid could possibly be smaller then from the vaccine then they are within their right to not be vaccinated.
Roselilly36 · 20/09/2020 09:49

I think it is concerning, particularly as someone that trialled the Oxford vaccine developed Transverse Myelitis, I had TM 9 years ago and I am still living with the side effects, and went on to develop MS. I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.

Lilybet1980 · 20/09/2020 09:49

I hope there are more people around like the OP. Means those of who want the vaccine will be able to get it quicker.

Gancanny · 20/09/2020 09:49

If it’s so safe why don’t all new vaccines make it to the market this quick?

I've posted twice now with a full explanation of this so feel free to read back over the thread to find it.

The very short answer: M O N E Y

Lilybet1980 · 20/09/2020 09:50

@Shooglywheel

If it’s so safe why don’t all new vaccines make it to the market this quick?
Because they don’t need to.
Lilybet1980 · 20/09/2020 09:51

And actually the flu vaccine does every year.

VeniceQueen2004 · 20/09/2020 09:51

@cyclingmad

Any links at allll for any of those claims?

Christ. If you don't want a vaccine don't get it. Personally I'd snap their hand off if it meant we could stop living in this miserable limited way.

I honestly think some drama queens would prefer the COVID threat to go on forever because it makes their lives more exciting (the rules, the masks, the paranoid conspiracy theories). Actually this is just a boring virus that has an unfortunately high rate of infectiveness and hospitalisation, meaning it is in government's interest to get it under control before it buggers health services world wide. It's an administrative and public health problem, not a tool of the New World Order. Get a bloody grip on yourselves.

Gancanny · 20/09/2020 09:51

I think it is concerning, particularly as someone that trialled the Oxford vaccine developed Transverse Myelitis

And it was concluded that this was highly unlikely to have been a result of the vaccine and that the volunteer probably contracted it from a viral source outside of the clinical trial.

Cinderellashoes · 20/09/2020 09:55

Unlicensed doesn’t mean untested Hmm wherever did you get that idea?

AlternativePerspective · 20/09/2020 09:57

To be fair, if I was as rich as Bill Gates I'd probably become an evil mega-overlord too. I mean there are only so many galas and regattas you can go to before you start thinking that a lair and mind control would be a better use of your time. Grin

OP, so you have no evidence of vaccines not being fully tested, in fact you don’t even know where to find any evidence of this, and you had no idea who the consultation was aimed at. So in actual fact, you don’t have a clue what you are talking about and are clearly just parroting some hysterical conspiracy theorist scaremongering bullshit.

Clearly this thread has been started with the intention to goad. The conspiracy theorist websites are that way

cyclingmad · 20/09/2020 10:04

@VeniceQueen2004 its been in the media that the person had suffered Transverse Myelitis due to the vaccine and if you read up more about it you find its something that can happen to anyone given a vaccine. Odds might be low but it could still happen.

So I'm not making it up and the press wouldn't be allowed to state that either why dont you go do your own research i don't need to post links thank you.

Its not me being a big drama queen its bloody concerning would you want to live with that side effect? I dont think you would. And as @Roselilly36 has stated she has had it and wouldnt wish it on anyone then I think i am well informed thanks.

I was just stating my reason as to why I wouldn't be getting it becuae I dont want to take that risk id rather take the risk of having covid and thats my decision to make. It doesn't make a drama queen for deciding what i will have injected into my body.

DeliasDinner · 20/09/2020 10:07

Look into potentially training people who aren't health care professionals to give vaccines safely, as we're going to have unprecedented demand, especially as ideally we'd like every man and his dog everyone who's eligible to also get the flu jab this year too, plus healthcare professionals might be a bit busy with a second wave and we already have a shortage of them as it is, it takes 2-3 years to train them and we'll be a bit fucked if we find a vaccine but have no way to actually give it on mass.

That, fortunately, is nonsense, as others have pointed out. You can fully train a nurse in 3 years. You could train someone to give an IM injection in a morning. And have time left for coffee.

cyclingmad · 20/09/2020 10:08

@Gancanny so basically they dont know what caused it but it is accepted that vaccines can trigger it in rare occasions so they cannot rule it out. Indsct science says they haven't quite understood how ppl get it.

Gancanny · 20/09/2020 10:10

its been in the media that the person had suffered Transverse Myelitis due to the vaccine

Liar.

It has been in the press that the volunteer developed TM but it was also reported that an independent safety review concluded that this was unlikely to have been triggered by the vaccine.

Don't let facts get in the way of your ranting though...

VeniceQueen2004 · 20/09/2020 10:16

@cyclingmad

I meant the claims re chipping in "Europe" (nice and specific), social points scores in China etc.

Everyone knows the Oxford trial was paused to to the volunteer having TM, everyone also knows it has restarted as it was determined to be very unlikely to have anything to do with the vaccine trial.

AlrightTreacle · 20/09/2020 10:16

@DeliasDinner

That's what I said, that they are proposing to train people up quickly and safely Confused

hoppingleg · 20/09/2020 10:21
  • @VeniceQueen2004 its been in the media that the person had suffered Transverse Myelitis due to the vaccine and if you read up more about it you find its something that can happen to anyone given a vaccine. Odds might be low but it could still happen.*

Have you read the "media" story properly? You should check out the Oxford Covid vaccine pages for more information.
It has been concluded by an independent investigation that it is very unlikely the TM was a side effect of the vaccine.
Please get your facts right before you post scaremongering stories.

pointythings · 20/09/2020 10:30

hoppingleg I'd be interested to know which arm of the trial the person who had the adverse reaction was on - people need to remember that half the trial participants are receiving a placebo, which is a well tested and widely used vaccine against meningitis.

TodayNoMore · 20/09/2020 10:33

On the subject of the vaccine being compulsory, what's the chance some employers will start insisting on it so that staff have the confidence to return to work where social distancing isn't possible, knowing their colleagues won't be passing on the virus?

More likely, a vaccination certificate might be required in future if you want to take a flight, ferry, or cruise, or travel by Eurotunnel.

VeniceQueen2004 · 20/09/2020 10:36

@pointythings

Another very good point!

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