To tell all the black mumsnetters we now have our own forum

[Marg33t]

Thanks to the fab PatricksRum for fighting against racism we've got our own board here

Look for black mumsnetters 👍🏿

Here's the whole post EDSGFC. Patrick was agreeing with IamTomHanks who said it's not segregation because white people are allowed to post.

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PatricksRum Wed 09-Sep-20 07:25:08

IamTomHanks

It's not segregation unless they tell white people they can't post in it, or black people they can't post in the "white section". It's just a space to discuss issues unique to BAME, and seek BAME opinions. Just because it won't appeal to white people half the time doesn't mean it's segregated.

Great idea Op.

100%

It would be great if white people visited also, I imagine it would be eye-opening.

See, this post for example, I would love to post it without white people coming on and screaming what about. I clearly can't do that on an existing topic.

never once has it crossed my mind as to the colour of their skin or ethnicity....it was never an issue. We took wisdom from others as we saw fit and we learned and grew as a community....

@Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe

You are looking at it through the rose coloured spectacles. Some of those threads leave me bruised.

"Just saying people coming to goad/inflict racism should be banned, and what's wrong with that?"

Yes, same as anyone who goes on the LGBT or adoption boards to troll and provoke should be banned

• I wouldn't post on either of those boards, because I've no lived experience of either and I'm also not a close friend or relative needing advice

@Havaiana

Great summary *@Quaagars I note @EDSGFC* keep saying look up the thread, whereas you actually quoted.

Yes, it's called selective quoting.

How about people read all of the threads still remaining and make up their own minds?

I can easily go on and pick a few quotes that would tell a completely different story.

People can read for themselves if they so choose.

@EDSGFC cop-out.

Surely this not what BLM is about I thought it was about equality not segregation.

@Quaagars

Just a few of patricks posts

Thanks to everyone, black and white who have helpfully contributed
See, thanks to everyone black AND white - how is that bog off white people? [hhm]

I didn't say who could and couldn't post. I addressed my post to black people and not white people
Clearly saying was asking for black people's experiences, not white hence why stating black

I'm sick of not being able to have one thread, just one where we can talk about something, one thing, to benefit us without white people coming on and hijacking it and diverting the attention to them.

Any white user coming to the board to inflict their racism would be banned. Same as any other section.
Is that what you mean by white people aren't allowed to post, they're banned?
As it doesn't mean what you think it does if so.
Just saying people coming to goad/inflict racism should be banned, and what's wrong with that?

Don't know why I'm bothering, as no doubt some just don't want to see and will carry on pretending no whites allowed which it isnt at all.

I'm sick of not being able to have one thread, just one where we can talk about something, one thing, to benefit us without black people coming on and hijacking it and diverting the attention to them.

Doesn't sound so good, does it?

Anyhow, knock yourselves out and I wish the black mumsnet forum well. Suspect people will be embarrassed about this idea in years to come, but if people want it now, then the more forums the merrier.

Has Scotsnet caused division @Sallycinammonbangsthedruminthe?

Or the LGBT topic? What about the SN's section?

The angst surrounding this is ridiculous.

Happy for you OP. BLM.

I do not like the idea that I fit into some sections and not others

I presume you’ll therefore be contacting MNHQ to ask for the removal of the LGBT, scotsnet, craicnet, infertility, SEN, disability, life limiting illnesses and vegan boards?

As a straight person I don't like the idea that I'm not included in the LGBT board.
Where's my straight board?
Straight people matter too, why can't we have straight Pride?

Laiste

Can you link to the thread or differentiate between the posters there? Only PatricksRum was very explicit that Her board was not a BAME board so I'm surprised if she wrote that bit and then I can't work out if the subsequent reply/IES is from one poster or two.

The bit about white posters visiting to learn could still be to read only rather than post.

I'm sick of not being able to have one thread, just one where we can talk about something, one thing, to benefit us without black people coming on and hijacking it and diverting the attention to them.

Doesn't sound so good, does it?

Doesn't sound good because it doesn't happen. Threads about racism experienced by Irish people don't get hijacked by racism against black people. But the reverse happens depressingly often.

@Tunnocks34

I agree with you about other racism. I have found that people don’t particularly care that I am called a paki/terrorist. Or asked if I have bleached my skin, if I’m Muslim, if my mum and dad disowned me for marrying a white man, why don’t I wear a hijab if I’m Pakistani. I personally think people almost ignore racism towards Pakistani/Indian etc heritage If I’m honest - or at least that’s how my experiences recently have made me feel (unrelated to BLM which I totally and utterly support)

I'm so sorry that happened to you

Very telling that people are more concerned with BMN existing than the racism you experienced.

@EDSGFC

but you did post a quote earlier. What's changed now?

[quote Havaiana]@EDSGFC

but you did post a quote earlier. What's changed now?[/quote]
From another thread? I'm pretty sure I didn't.

@Havaiana

I'm sick of not being able to have one thread, just one where we can talk about something, one thing, to benefit us without black people coming on and hijacking it and diverting the attention to them.

Doesn't sound so good, does it?

Doesn't sound good because it doesn't happen. Threads about racism experienced by Irish people don't get hijacked by racism against black people. But the reverse happens depressingly often.

Yup, and as an Irish person I hate seeing this happen.

It's a sub-thread for people with shared experiences. There are a couple hundred such sub threads on Mumsnet across a wife range of subjects.

For example here are all the subthreads in the main Health thread:

Addiction support
Alcohol support
Allergies and intolerances
Autoimmune disease
Child mental health
Children's health
Coronavirus
Dementia & Alzheimer's
Diabetes
Eating disorders
Exercise
Family planning
General health
HCP Chat
Life-limiting illness
Menopause
Mental health
Stop Smoking
The weights room
Women's health

Technically you could just put Menopause into a general Women's health section. Or even just a Health section. Why does it need its own subthread?

Because for those women going through this life-changing shared experience it's easier and more user-friendly to have all their threads in one place. If you are not going through the menopause right now you probably don't have anything useful to contribute - unless you are a doctor, or other medical professional specializing in this area, or perhaps a concerned family member asking for advice for someone else.

You may want to hang out to read in this thread if you are a younger woman (to see what's coming) or a man (to see how to support a partner)

No one has banned you. But you probably won't spend a lot of time in there if it's not relevant to you.

If you are one of the people arguing why this new forum for black Mumsnetters should exist, are you struggling to understand that there's a need for this particular shared experience?

I'd recommend that instead of complaining about it now, you spend a couple of weeks checking out the new thread, reading the different topics which come up and learning a little about the cares, concerns and issues of our black communities. Their shared experiences.

You are not banned - there may even be places where you can contribute.

And if it doesn't interest you in the slightest then just don't go to that thread - I'm sure there are loads of subthreads you never venture into - how many times have you thought deeply about the SN wheelchairs and mobility aids thread?

Having this exist doesn't take anything away from anyone else.

From another thread? I'm pretty sure I didn't

What's from another thread got to do with anything?
She said you quoted earlier, so what's changed now?
Nothing about from another thread or not.
I quoted patricks posts as she wrote them from another thread because of people stating as fact that she'd said "whites are banned" which was blatantly untrue and the quotes show that.

@Havaiana

I'm sick of not being able to have one thread, just one where we can talk about something, one thing, to benefit us without black people coming on and hijacking it and diverting the attention to them.

Doesn't sound so good, does it?

Doesn't sound good because it doesn't happen. Threads about racism experienced by Irish people don't get hijacked by racism against black people. But the reverse happens depressingly often.

It doesn't happen because there are no threads on MN about something, one thing, to benefit white people only.

Because that would be racist, wouldn't it?

Havaiana

Don't mean to be shit stirring, by the way.

As I've said, I'm all for a black mumsnet forum. Power to people and so on.

@Quaagars

From another thread? I'm pretty sure I didn't

What's from another thread got to do with anything?
She said you quoted earlier, so what's changed now?
Nothing about from another thread or not.
I quoted patricks posts as she wrote them from another thread because of people stating as fact that she'd said "whites are banned" which was blatantly untrue and the quotes show that.

Do you not what, I'm just leaving this here.

If I've quoted from this thread then people can very easily check back that a) I've quoted accurately, b) I've quoted in full and c) the context.

Quoting random posts from a different thread gives no opportunity for anyone to do any of those things.

But if you can't comprehend the difference then 🤷

It doesn't happen because there are no threads on MN about something, one thing, to benefit white people only.

Like what?!

I see you are trying to create a "Gotcha" moment here but you're failing miserably.

@GlendaSugarbeanIsJudgingYou

It doesn't happen because there are no threads on MN about something, one thing, to benefit white people only.

Like what?!

I see you are trying to create a "Gotcha" moment here but you're failing miserably.

Gotcha!