To tell all the black mumsnetters we now have our own forum

[Marg33t]

Thanks to the fab PatricksRum for fighting against racism we've got our own board here

Look for black mumsnetters 👍🏿

[TooTrueToBeGood]

@wigglebox

We all have struggles unique to our race, why this board only?

What on earth are you on about? I've been on this planet in my white skin for 53 years and cannot think of a single instance where my race has been a negative factor in any of my personal struggles. Bluntly, you are talking utter shite.

[OrangeCinnamon1]

[VivaMiltonKeynes]

If you have never experienced racism as a white person then you obviously have never lived outside of your own country .

[RepeatSwan]

@VivaMiltonKeynes

If you have never experienced racism as a white person then you obviously have never lived outside of your own country .

But not relevant to a discussion about racism in the UK.

[BameChange123]

Congratulations looking forward to the new board - brava!

[minou123]

@VivaMiltonKeynes

If you have never experienced racism as a white person then you obviously have never lived outside of your own country .

I have lived in 6 countries. 4 of which were predominantly non white, Syria, Ghana, Japan and Bolivia.

Never as a white British woman have i experienced racism.

[Quaagars]

Can you explain to me your white struggle? Not just your usual struggles, ones that are directly related to being white? Because I am white and I have experienced ZERO. In 42 years. You're a wally

Same, no white struggles here either, not sure what that even is?
Wonder if we get clarification as I'd be interested to know

[froggygoneacourting]

Whenever people bring up “anti-white racism” it’s almost always racism against minorities who happen to have white skin, who experience racism because of the former in spite of the latter, not the other way round. For example racism against Jewish people, people from Roma or Traveller background, and also prejudice and discrimination against Eastern European people.

It’s a horrible twisting of facts and is exploiting ethnic minorities’ struggle in order to defend racism.

Jews experience racism. Some Jews have white skin. This does not equate to “white people experience racism!” Jews suffer racism because they are Jewish, not because they are white. The reason racists target Jews is because racists and white supremacists DON’T consider Jews to be white. (Which isn’t even getting into how Beta, Mizrahi and Shephardic Jews are mistreated both internally and externally.)

There’s a whole long history of how “whiteness” is constructed and controlled and how systems of oppression dictate and control access to whiteness. Look at American and the “one drop” rule, look at the US Supreme Court hearing cases to determine whether someone is legally allowed to consider themselves white or not.


Obviously there’s a whole other element here regarding passing, passing privilege, and how colourism and racism intersect. I’m certainly not suggesting that the oppression faced by ethnic minorities who have white skin or who are white-passing is anything like the violence and abuse experienced by black people. But the circuitous argument that often comes up on these threads to pretend anti-white racism exists is not valid and is honestly so exploitative and hurtful.

[froggygoneacourting]

I mean, I’ve experienced racism and I’m white passing. I don’t experience racism because I have light skin, but in spite of it. My lighter skin protects me from a huge amount of racism which I witnessed my darker skinned mother and other family members be subjected to.

So yeah fuck off with this “racism against white people” nonsense.

[CaraDuneRedux]

@Quaagars

Can you explain to me your white struggle? Not just your usual struggles, ones that are directly related to being white? Because I am white and I have experienced ZERO. In 42 years. You're a wally

Same, no white struggles here either, not sure what that even is?
Wonder if we get clarification as I'd be interested to know

Thirding this.

"White struggle" ffs. That has to be one of the stupidest phrases anyone has ever come out with on MN - and fuck knows there's some bloody stiff competition for this award.

[Venicelover]

Everybody has their struggles in life, but I don't think you can equate any of the struggles white people (in the UK) have with the colour of their skin.

[TheArtOfStoryTelling]

I'm white and have experienced racism, but I don't care about there being a board for black people and don't feel any need for a white one, because the default or majority position/perspective on the entire forum is of white people. So it makes sense that people outside that majority would need a separate board, while people within it do not. That's why there are Irish/Scottish/Welsh boards but not English.

[StormzyinaTCup]

I have lived in 6 countries. 4 of which were predominantly non white, Syria, Ghana, Japan and Bolivia

Never as a white British woman have i experienced racism.

So because, as a white person in a majority black country, you have not personally experienced racism then it doesn’t exist and you dismiss another posters experience?

It’s exactly the same but the racism goes the other way.

Isn’t it this type of attitude exactly what we are trying to change?

[minou123]

StormzyinaTCup

Not at all. The post I was commenting on was

If you have never experienced racism as a white person then you obviously have never lived outside of your own country

I think the word "obviously" annoyed me a little. It kind of implies, to me, that if you live in another country then you will "obviously " experience racism, as a white person.

Thats how I interpreted that post. If anyone has lived in another country and has experienced racism directly related to being white, im happy to listen.

[Quaagars]

So because, as a white person in a majority black country, you have not personally experienced racism then it doesn’t exist and you dismiss another posters experience?

If I was to experience racism as a white person, it would be NOTHING like a black person experiencing it, and it is ridiculous to compare the two.
I'm not oppressed by many for the colour of mine, am I?
If I was to get racial abuse for being white I'd maybe make a face and then laugh.
Not the same.
At all.

[StormzyinaTCup]

If I was to experience racism as a white person, it would be NOTHING like a black person

How do you know that?

If I was to get racial abuse for being white I'd maybe make a confused hmm face and then laugh

oh ok, so you would find low level racism against you funny so at what level does it kick in and it become unfunny?

I didn't realise we were playing racism top trumps

[southeastdweller]

If you’re not black, a black board has got fuck all to do with you.

I believe this an example of someone saying if you're not black, then you're not welcome on the board, which is something some people here continue to deny has ever been said.

[lboogy]

Omg I'm
So happy, well don't Patrick

[AMemeByAnyOtherName]

@southeastdweller

If you’re not black, a black board has got fuck all to do with you.

I believe this an example of someone saying if you're not black, then you're not welcome on the board, which is something some people here continue to deny has ever been said.

😂😂

THAT'S the smoking gun?!

So because a matter doesn't concern or affect you, it's racist?!

This has to be the clearest example of white privilege I've seen in my life. Thank you.

[southeastdweller]

You're wilfully misinterpreting my post there, A Meme, like so many of the pro board people on here are about other people's comments.

God, it's pitiful that some people here lack the empathy to deny other people's experiences of racism. Assuming other people's race is almost as ridiculous.

[AMemeByAnyOtherName]

Oh believe me, I'm not making any assumptions about your race. You could be chartreuse for all I know or care. But however you look at it, you have so beautifully made it clear exactly what white privilege is, and why we've had the problems we've had to get the board.

I genuinely mean it when I say thank you. You've done us all a great service, right at the end of the thread, too. It's just so perfect.

[DolphinsAndNemesis]

So. Much. Racism.

I'm delighted about the new board. And rather glad that this thread is ending soon so the racists can't overtake it any more than they already have. Of course, they will find many other threads on MN to express their reprehensible views. . .

But I hope this thread ends on a positive note of triumph! Well done to PatricksRum for fighting the good fight and to MNHQ for responding swiftly by creating the new board.

[southeastdweller]

Perhaps Meme could explain how I've illustrated white privilege in my post/s?

[southeastdweller]

And to end:

Like I said a few pages ago, this decision all about business, and money. Because these things always are.