To tell all the black mumsnetters we now have our own forum

[Marg33t]

Thanks to the fab PatricksRum for fighting against racism we've got our own board here

Look for black mumsnetters 👍🏿

@Tomorrowsanewday

I thought it was MN that set the rules on posting not the person starting the thread.

Not in this brave new world apparently.

Omg at the rampant racism.

I had a little nosey at the new board. Hope it's successful and not trolled too badly!

Oh also I'm white and opening some threads and having a bit of a read went entirely unnoticed. Erm. Obviously!

@Bearbehind
But it wouldn’t be allowed to have a section where only white people could post so why is the reverse ok?

Because black people face issues that white people just don't!
You've just proved that ironically by posting the comment that you did.

Isn't it odd how dominant groups get so utterly LIVID when minority groups have things to themselves.

It's a chat board FFS.

And we are on MUMSNET which is often accused of being sexist by men. The irony 🥺

I thought it was MN that set the rules on posting not the person starting the thread
It is. It was also MN that picked the name of the section.
And they've already made it clear questioning someone's race is against guidelines. I'm sure they will catch up with this thread eventually.

@StormzyInaDCup

Hmmm *@Quaagars* a simple read of page one tells you exactly that! What a disgrace to exclude people like that..

Maybe all the white mns want a group that excludes the rest of us? It's a mn woke reaction and divisive. There would be uproar if a white group appeared and so there should be.

This group is excluding others by suggesting that other races and indeed those with an interest in using it, can't. Racism feels like that, doesn't it.

Not verbatim: "I don't know what MN decided in the end but it was made clear on one of the threads that it should be for black people only. No whites and no other races."

It continues on in the same vein for another 2 paragraphs. Stormzy was quoting it, not the author.

If you want to see the screen grab, go to entry StormzyInaDCup Wed 16-Sep-20 18:17:01

There are other threads ànd boards with politely requested rules. You just have not come across them for whatever reason.
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There are lots of different boards on MN - why on earth are people grumbling about this one? I honestly can't see the issue.

Black Mumsnetters want their own space to discuss things that matter to them. No-one's banning anyone - hard to see how they could, seeing as we're all anonymous.

If you genuinely want to find out about issues that affect black Mumsnetters or learn about black culture, I expect you'll be welcome. If you start throwing your weight around, disrupting and lecturing, they'll probably report you and you'll be deleted.

At least, that's my take on it. I'm sure someone will be along to tell me if I've got it wrong!

@gardenclubgnome

That horrific awful sweeping judgement that is placed on Irish Travellers is not about skin colour? To my knowledge? If a space was needed for them then YES make sure we create it here.

Like how you just picked out that one bit though.

Why?

I'm interested to know why people think that white people aren't subject to terrible racism on sight? By people saying "well travellers aren't excluded because of their skin colour" it's ignoring the fact that they are indeed discriminated against immediately. It's not a case of people waiting to get to know them, or waiting for them to do something wrong before treating them badly is it? They are certainly recognised immediately and identified as being travellers so why is skin colour specifically the most important factor?

@OrangeCinnamon1

There are other threads ànd boards with politely requested rules. You just have not come across them for whatever reason. .

Are there? Which ones apart from fwr?

OnceUponAThimble Wed 16-Sep-20 19:22:17
Would it be available to white parents who have black children?

Nope

Why state that like actual fact when it says quite clearly that white people can post?

Just one of the posts
You don’t have to be black, but just be able to relate to the issues here
I've also seen a post saying of course white people are welcome, and yes people who are white with black children can post (will try and find)
There's outright lying going on in some of these posts, or at the very least stating things as facts that just aren't true.

@Unescorted

Awesome work *@PatricksRum*. I hope the racist trolls stay on the main boards and give you a quiet place to be.

I am baffled by the opposition. You aren't banned - just respectfully asked not to assume when you are reading the threads that the poster is not white and that your experience may not be valid to the situation that is being discussed.

I don't get why people feel so threatened by it that they have to be nasty. Grow up, collect an empathy card and stop being so self absorbed.

You aren't banned - just respectfully asked not to assume when you are reading the threads that the poster is not white and that your experience may not be valid to the situation that is being discussed

You are baffled that I find this offensive. I am baffled that you do not understand WHY I find this offensive. So, we are both standing here scratching our heads in bafflement (something in common, at least).

You could play a racist drinking game with this thread.

‘The racism card’

@MeridaTheBold

I thought it was MN that set the rules on posting not the person starting the thread It is. It was also MN that picked the name of the section. And they've already made it clear questioning someone's race is against guidelines. I'm sure they will catch up with this thread eventually.

Can you tell me where I can find that MN set the rules? I can see an opening post by a moderator, but no rules. The only rules I can see are put forward by the poster who suggested the board. Where are the rules set by MN?

Also, wasn't the name suggested by posters on a thread and then voted for by a password controlled poll controlled by the poster proposing the setting up of the board? People had to DM her and she gave them a password to be able to vote in an external poll. So, did they not use that name then?

@EDSGFC

They are certainly recognised immediately and identified as being travellers so why is skin colour specifically the most important factor?

Isn't it obvious? Travellers can dress how they want to fit in wherever they want. BAME people don't have that luxury, race is a giveaway.

Ahh the whatabouttery BINGO.

I found the responses to this thread fascinating though, very unsurprising. It’s funny how people can grasp the need for disable spaces, female spaces, LGBTQ+ Spaces, yet can’t grasp why black people might want their own personal safe space where they can discuss and share their experiences as black individuals navigating this world. Mumsnet is SO vocally against trans individuals sharing female spaces yet some of those same mumsnetters can’t understand that for some (obvious reasons) black people might feel uncomfortable by white people (or others) taking over threads that discuss black issues and customs or even hair care routines etc... and would love a space dedicated to them where they could discuss those themes with people with first hand experience. It’s mind-blowing and I am genuinely curious what the people who feel offended by black people having their own forum feel they could contribute to topics related to living as an ethnicity they have no first hand experience of and are not a part of (it’s slightly different for people who are mixed or have mixed race children but in general...).

I am mixed race, if there was a “white forum” I wouldn’t go on it. Because while I am half-white and half-black, I am perceived as black and therefore my life experience and my interactions with people and society has been similar to the one of people of color and I would have no idea what being white consist of or white care routine or whatever else, despite having a white mum and a White family, me not being able to participate in topics that have to do with having a white skin doesn’t make me feel “segregated” it’s just the reality that I am not white and therefore I have nothing to add or contribute to a discussion about way of protecting one’a white skin from the sun or whatever else. The same way I would have nothing to contribute to a Chinese, Indian or even specifically Nigerian forum as I am not part of that culture and know too little to have any valuable insight.

The fact that the several white people outraged fail to notice that a ban (and there is no ban) would not only be for white people but for anyone non-black and therefore more akin to disable spaces rather than the apartheid is quite interested as it shows their lack of thought for any other ethnicity but their own. But much better to be outraged at “racism against white people ” rather than accept the ban would also affect every other minority and is not even anti-white.

@auntypasta

You could play a racist drinking game with this thread

We'd be under the table after about 5 seconds lol

@GoldenKelpie

You aren't banned - just respectfully asked not to assume when you are reading the threads that the poster is not white and that your experience may not be valid to the situation that is being discussed

You are baffled that I find this offensive. I am baffled that you do not understand WHY I find this offensive. So, we are both standing here scratching our heads in bafflement (something in common, at least).

Why are you offended at being asked to bear in mind the poster may not be white?

All these faces you're doing have another face.

@EDSGFC
Why?

I'm interested to know why people think that white people aren't subject to terrible racism on sight? By people saying "well travellers aren't excluded because of their skin colour" it's ignoring the fact that they are indeed discriminated against immediately. It's not a case of people waiting to get to know them, or waiting for them to do something wrong before treating them badly is it? They are certainly recognised immediately and identified as being travellers so why is skin colour specifically the most important factor?

OK -I am going to be blunt. Before i do so. Let me just add in my reply to youI agreed that Irish travellers are often treated in a way that is just horrific and yes experience awful prejudice.which is wrong. But and this is BLUNT.An Irish traveller could in-fact walk into somewhere and hide the things that possibly indicate they are Irish Travellers (they should in no way have to EVER) . I and any person of colour CAN NOT hide their skin colour EVER.

Also the fact that I have to explain this to you in these terms - for me further highlights the issue at hand.That here I am having to defend and explain why there are some issues around having black and brown sin. All off the back of people creating a simple thread for lived experience black and brown skin because we often don't feel we have a space...Do you not see ???!!!!

Right so does that mean a white only board can be set up ?

It's an open forum where black Mumsnetters can chat and offer first-hand advice on certain topics.
There's no screening or passwords. It's a public forum.

If I want, say, advice on nude lipsticks or shampoos for myself or my family then that would be the ideal place for me to ask.

If I want advice on possible places for a black or mixed-race family to live in the UK, then I want to hear from people with direct experience. Not wade through reams of posts from well-meaning people who swear blind that they live in a diverse place because they have never heard any racist talk.
I might have a nosey on Dadsnet, Gransnet, Craicnet, doggy MN, adoption or step-parenting board. Might even learn something.
But I would not dream of asking for these boards to be deleted just because they are not directly aimed at me.
So why are so many people clamouring to shut down a section of MN that is irrelevant to them?
Black MN is not going to be a Nation of Islam recruitment ground, for heaven's sake. It's a tiny corner of the Internet that anyone can look at.

Exactly @gardenclubgnome. It's so basic.

Right so does that mean a white only board can be set up ?

Amazing Has anyone said that one yet?