Hunting and Grouse shooting exempt from rule of six- what a surprise..

[Tellmetruth4]

So if poor people want to meet their extended families could they just club together to hire some land and claim they are chasing foxes followed by a nice pub lunch after? Would they be fined?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/14/hunting-in-england-exempt-from-rule-of-six-covid-19-restrictions

*terrible.

@Toobe

A lot townies on this thread with no idea.

I’m sure you all enjoy your meat reared in pens and crammed into transporters to the abattoir...but hunting food that has been allowed to roam free until the day it dies. God forbid, how ter

Instead of improving abattoirs and pens, your argument is to leave hunting well alone.

Now imagine that same prisoner receiving a death sentence by hunting: a crowd of people running after you in woods, using hounds to scare you and corner you, and then using the same hounds to shred you to pieces.

You are specifically talking about hunting with hounds. There are many different kinds of hunting. As I said before, I know very little about hunting, and not enough to say whether a particular kind of hunting is cruel.

However, at face value, living a life in the wild and then being shot in the wild would be preferable to spending a life in crate and then being shot in an abattoir.

My main point is that people who think hunting is cruel should seek to have the law changed. Covid restrictions should not be used to enforce unrelated policy.

Then that needs to change.

people shouldn't make money by being involved in the sports industry and outdoor activities?

@merrymouse

But We’re not allowed to go and sit in my dgm garden SD for her 88th birthday.

You are allowed to sit in her garden.

Not more than six of us. Which means my DGF would have to sit in the house and watch through the window.

But if I took a football we could say we were playing an authorised sport for when the neighbour phoned the police and snitches on us. We could definitely get a five a side going in her garden.,,

@merrymouse

Then that needs to change.

people shouldn't make money by being involved in the sports industry and outdoor activities?

Don’t act naive. You know I mean hunting. That is not sport. That is killing.

Don’t act naive. You know I mean hunting. That is not sport. That is killing.

Under UK law it is a legal organised outdoor activity. It is also generally regarded as a sport.

You might not agree, but then you need to change the law.

However, without a change in the law, a restriction that allows sailing and hockey cannot reasonably exclude hunting.

Not more than six of us.

So visit her in a group that is smaller than 6.

But if I took a football we could say we were playing an authorised sport

No you couldn't.

Organised sport is allowed. A kick around in the park is not allowed.

So killing animals at a slaughter house is OK and killing animals in the wild is unacceptable?

It's the killing FOR FUN - and calling it sport - that's the issue.

@merrymouse

Now imagine that same prisoner receiving a death sentence by hunting: a crowd of people running after you in woods, using hounds to scare you and corner you, and then using the same hounds to shred you to pieces.

You are specifically talking about hunting with hounds. There are many different kinds of hunting. As I said before, I know very little about hunting, and not enough to say whether a particular kind of hunting is cruel.

However, at face value, living a life in the wild and then being shot in the wild would be preferable to spending a life in crate and then being shot in an abattoir.

My main point is that people who think hunting is cruel should seek to have the law changed. Covid restrictions should not be used to enforce unrelated policy.

First step towards making a change is accept that something needs to change. My beef is with the posters constantly defending hunting. If you don’t even accept it’s wrong, why will you think of changing it? I also think hunting animals with a gun and no hounds is still hunting. Again, just because we haven’t yet discovered a sustainable resource for nutrition that replaces meat and because we have animals farms and pens that are in dire conditions does not excuse the act of hunting animals for fun. Someone upthread kept insisting they were killing for food. Then they let slip that it was because it was tastier! That is the mindset I am talking about.

'But We’re not allowed to go and sit in my dgm garden SD for her 88th birthday. Fucking joke all of it. It’s making me so angry now.'

But it reduces the risk of transmission, that's a good thing! They have to put restrictions in place, hospital inpatients with Covid were 400 at the beginning of sep they are now 800.

I want to protect my family, if that means visiting relatives on birthdays this year on a staggered basis then I can cope with that.

@merrymouse

Don’t act naive. You know I mean hunting. That is not sport. That is killing.

Under UK law it is a legal organised outdoor activity. It is also generally regarded as a sport.

You might not agree, but then you need to change the law.

However, without a change in the law, a restriction that allows sailing and hockey cannot reasonably exclude hunting.

Yeah the law won’t change so long as it’s apologists are present everywhere. Governments, laws, traditions reflect what the society is at its core. Until we change, law wouldn’t change.

@Toobe

A lot townies on this thread with no idea.

I’m sure you all enjoy your meat reared in pens and crammed into transporters to the abattoir...but hunting food that has been allowed to roam free until the day it dies. God forbid, how ter

Christ that's a tiresome strawman.

Food production and sport are, to any person with a brain, different things.

Disregarding that many people on this thread have said they are opposed to BOTH.

Not in Scotland.

Yeah the law won’t change so long as it’s apologists are present everywhere.

I think the misrepresentation of this news story has been great PR for hunting.

Tatlet are reporting it as well. Assume they're 'whipping up class war'.

Tatler

@Totickleamockingbird Instead of improving abattoirs and pens, your argument is to leave hunting well alone.

You just don’t get it 😂.

Rearing birds and animals with complete freedom to roam and shooting them in their natural habitat, is more humane than any pens and abattoirs could ever be (however much they are improved).

This government is shit and bloodsports are awful, but it's not like this was a special exception just for hunting - it's being filed under sports and activities that are exempt.

Rearing birds and animals with complete freedom to roam and shooting them in their natural habitat, is more humane than any pens and abattoirs could ever be (however much they are improved).

Don't be daft.
People who shoot don't do so because they're humane. They do it because it places them firmly in what they perceive to be an exclusive group. It's the pleasure these people get from the kill that's disgusting.

@Totickleamockingbird it wouldn’t taste the same if farmed. The reason game is such an amazing meat and is so healthy is because it is so lean and the varied diet they eat.
Any vegans on here who think due to their diet no animals are killed to produce their food are very much mistaken. Literally millions of pigeons are killed per year to protect crops. My dh helps a farmer protect his fruit trees by shooting pigeons over his trees so that you can have your vegan food (and for everyone else of course) and this happens over so many crops. He only does it very small scale and luckily we all adore wood pigeon so we eat them all but many just go to waste but it is needed to protect crops and help keep prices down as the farmers gets a better crop. People may be vegan but they can’t say animals are not being killed to provide them with their food and at least we eat them, better than just being buried in a hole which happens a lot.

My dh helps a farmer protect his fruit trees by shooting pigeons over his trees so that you can have your vegan food (and for everyone else of course) and this happens over so many crops. He only does it very small scale and luckily we all adore wood pigeon so we eat them all but many just go to waste but it is needed to protect crops and help keep prices down as the farmers gets a better crop.

This is totally different to classifying hunting and shooting as sports which should have exemption from the Covid restrictions.

@Toobe I couldn’t agree more. I much prefer to eat game that has been wild for most of its life than most chickens. If people saw what happens when they go to the abattoir I think it is likely they would be much more in favour of eating pheasant, partridge, pigeon etc.

Pheasant and grouse taste like how I imagine roadkill thats been sat in the sun for a day or so would.