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Hunting and Grouse shooting exempt from rule of six- what a surprise..

247 replies

Tellmetruth4 · 14/09/2020 22:30

So if poor people want to meet their extended families could they just club together to hire some land and claim they are chasing foxes followed by a nice pub lunch after? Would they be fined?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/14/hunting-in-england-exempt-from-rule-of-six-covid-19-restrictions

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BoingBoingyBoing · 15/09/2020 11:02

It's a misleading headline as hunting falls under the general sport exemption.

Whether hunting should count as a sport though is debatable. On one hand it's a sport for rich people taking enjoyment out of the suffering of other living creatures.

On the other hand... nah, you can't defend it, in the slightest.

Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:02

@Clavinova

Totickleamockingbird How bullied will you feel if I drop you in a jungle, weapons-less and tiny, and then hunt you down with a gun?

You appear to be bullying most of the posters on this thread without a gun.

Either answer the argument with a counter-argument or stop shouting bully when you realise you have no leg to stand on.
Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:03

@Gobbycop

They will be as tasty if grown on a farm. Why hunting? There is no way you can apologise this sickening crime which is not even a sport (someone posted a definition of sports up thread).

No they won't. Same as eggs from caged hens taste like shit.

So killing animals at a slaughter house is OK and killing animals in the wild is unacceptable?

Hypocrite.

Unless you're vegan you have fuck all argument about how an animal is killed.

I am moving myself and my whole family to vegan food very fast. It’s tough transition due to various health reasons but we will get there in the end. So I am neither a killer nor an apologist of killers.
Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:06

Also, it’s sickening how your need for taste, not protein or food, has actually just come out.
Before this, all the hunters on this thread were killing for pest control and for food, weren’t they?

Gobbycop · 15/09/2020 11:09

I am moving myself and my whole family to vegan food very fast. It’s tough transition due to various health reasons but we will get there in the end.
So I am neither a killer nor an apologist of killers

I respect that and your view.

Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:09

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Clavinova · 15/09/2020 11:09

Totickleamockingbird

If you feel so strongly, I suggest you email Nicola Sturgeon and tell her what a cruel woman she is - if Scotland make a U-turn first, England might follow.

merrymouse · 15/09/2020 11:11

I am moving myself and my whole family to vegan food very fast.

Thats great, but complaining about a covid related rule because it includes grouse shooting as a regulated outdoor activitiy is a bit like complaining about a covid regulation that allows manufacuring of Walls sausages.

Both sausage making and grouse shooting are currently legal, and covid regulations should not be used to create unrelated policy.

tornadoalley · 15/09/2020 11:11

Typical Guardian shite. Just one of a massive list of outdoor (the important criteria) sports and hobbies which are not included in the rules.

You can easily SD and outdoors is the best environment. How many times does it need pointing out it is close contact, usually in a family setting, that is the issue.

merrymouse · 15/09/2020 11:13

This is why I explained, in detail, how it will help people understand if they are dropped in a jungle somewhere and then hunted by a pack of...humans with guns.

Are you honestly arguing that it would be better to be shot in an abattoir, having spent your entire life inside, than to take your chances in a jungle? Confused

Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:16

@Clavinova

Totickleamockingbird

If you feel so strongly, I suggest you email Nicola Sturgeon and tell her what a cruel woman she is - if Scotland make a U-turn first, England might follow.

I agree that people should raise this more and write about this more. This Guardian article is badly written. They failed to put in focus the late meeting Michael Gove planned. Apparently, the title of this meeting was to do with hunting and shooting. As other posters have pointed, it’s very hard to imagine how a hunting party on a day out, and the social gathering that follows it, can be given an exemption from the rule of six. So they specifically mentioned it. This incompetent bunch does not care one bit that there is a severe shortage of tests, a recession is on its way and NHS is failing severely ill patients who have been pushed back due to Covid, not to mention the fact that it was a Tory government that ignored the dire warnings of a potential pandemic on their watch (that 2016 national security report). They do have time however to have a last minute meeting to avoid scrutiny and questions so they can insert a cruel act in the list that is popular with their donors.
Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:18

@merrymouse

This is why I explained, in detail, how it will help people understand if they are dropped in a jungle somewhere and then hunted by a pack of...humans with guns.

Are you honestly arguing that it would be better to be shot in an abattoir, having spent your entire life inside, than to take your chances in a jungle? Confused

How in the world is an abattoir similar to a hunting in jungle? And, being a little bird or a deer or a fox, who are you taking your chances against? An organised party of killers with guns and potentially hounds? Yeah I see your point.
merrymouse · 15/09/2020 11:19

As other posters have pointed, it’s very hard to imagine how a hunting party on a day out, and the social gathering that follows it, can be given an exemption from the rule of six. So they specifically mentioned it.

No more difficult than imagining how any of the other sports were exempted.

Suzi888 · 15/09/2020 11:19

Completely agree with @JalapenoDave

Byallmeans · 15/09/2020 11:21

My dh plays football. 22 men on field barging in to each other and tackling each other. Then then crowd around in a little huddle whilst the manager shouts at them/tells them what to do. Then they go and do it all again.

But We’re not allowed to go and sit in my dgm garden SD for her 88th birthday.

Fucking joke all of it. It’s making me so angry now.

Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:23

@merrymouse

As other posters have pointed, it’s very hard to imagine how a hunting party on a day out, and the social gathering that follows it, can be given an exemption from the rule of six. So they specifically mentioned it.

No more difficult than imagining how any of the other sports were exempted.

I see your point and the poster who have just mentioned her DH’s football team. So let’s definitely postpone sports that can create more contact points than a household of six. I am happy with that of it keeps everyone safe.
Stay123 · 15/09/2020 11:23

It is one of many sports that is exempt. Stop just choosing to pick on that one because it is a Tory sport. I don’t agree with shooting though

merrymouse · 15/09/2020 11:23

How in the world is an abattoir similar to a hunting in jungle?

I can't tell you. I don't know what a 'hunting jungle' is.

merrymouse · 15/09/2020 11:25

So let’s definitely postpone sports that can create more contact points than a household of six. I am happy with that of it keeps everyone safe.

The problem there is that many people's livelihoods depend on sport taking place.

Clavinova · 15/09/2020 11:26

Totickleamockingbird

Are you being an apologist for the Scottish government and grouse shooting?

merrymouse · 15/09/2020 11:26

But We’re not allowed to go and sit in my dgm garden SD for her 88th birthday.

You are allowed to sit in her garden.

Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:28

@merrymouse

How in the world is an abattoir similar to a hunting in jungle?

I can't tell you. I don't know what a 'hunting jungle' is.

In my home country, jungles are where you would usually go to do hunting. Here, the equivalent would be woods perhaps? An abattoir isn’t similar to hunting with guns and hounds. Imagine a prison where a criminal is to receive a death penalty with an injection or by a swift motion of a sword. Now imagine that same prisoner receiving a death sentence by hunting: a crowd of people running after you in woods, using hounds to scare you and corner you, and then using the same hounds to shred you to pieces. Which killing is more humane? Which killing tells you how cruel the executioners are?
Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:29

@merrymouse

So let’s definitely postpone sports that can create more contact points than a household of six. I am happy with that of it keeps everyone safe.

The problem there is that many people's livelihoods depend on sport taking place.

Then that needs to change.
Totickleamockingbird · 15/09/2020 11:30

@Clavinova

Totickleamockingbird

Are you being an apologist for the Scottish government and grouse shooting?

??
Toobe · 15/09/2020 11:32

A lot townies on this thread with no idea.

I’m sure you all enjoy your meat reared in pens and crammed into transporters to the abattoir...but hunting food that has been allowed to roam free until the day it dies. God forbid, how ter