To find Jameela Jamil the most annoying body positivity advocate

[Imworthit]

She's tall and slim, model perfect, always made up, perfect hair, beautifully dressed and all she seems to do is rage at other women for their beauty choices. I know we can't help how we look but she just seems the biggest hypocrite. AIBU for thinking this?

I don't understand what queer is either. That doesn't make me phobic.

If it is gay or bi why not use those words. As I understand it some gay and bi people find the term queer offensive.

It is not 'phobic' to ask questions. It is not phobic to question someones identity as 'queer' given that person's misogynistic views of womanhood.

I’m another one who unfollowed her on Insta when I got started to see double standards. I initially loved the body positivity messaging and JJ’s enthusiasm, but the criticism of other people by JJ and her followers, left a bad taste. If someone has a large number of followers keen to insult people with differing (and reasonably expressed) opinions by calling them Terf and Karen, it is a warning sign to me.

I'm confused about why you shouldn't love your body.

I think most body neutrality advocates would entirely agree with what you said alittleprivacy, at least the ones I know are more of the 'if you do not love every inch of yourself and think yourself as gorgeous all the time & talk like an Instagram image about one's looks, that's fine. It's fine to focus on taking care of yourself and connecting with your body as is and health rather than gushing about being sexy and how much you love it all the time or focusing on what you hate' rather than what JJ often talks about with it which seems to mainly be bashing some people who alter or love their looks or don't look how she thinks they should while still calling people she approves of gorgeous/beautiful as a obvious signifier of goodness which, to me, seems the opposite of body neutrality.

I don't understand what queer is either. That doesn't make me phobic. Queer has lots of overlapping meanings, but broadly 'not heterosexual and/or cisgender'. I didn't say not understanding what queerness is is phobic but whoever said "came out" in inverted commas as though it was a made up concept, or someone in a relationship with a man couldn't come out, was certainly flirting with dismissing either queerness, or queer women in seemingly heterosexual relationships.

If it is gay or bi why not use those words. As I understand it some gay and bi people find the term queer offensive. Yes, some gay and bi people do. Others don't. As she's a queer woman, she's entitled to use that term for herself - she didn't claim to speak for all gay or bi women. And as she's in a relationship with a man, we can assume she didn't mean gay. But being queer might be - mostly straight but sexually attracted to the same gender, or attracted to people regardless of gender, or gay with exceptions, or lots of other nuanced and specific-to-a-person versions of sexuality, because every single person has their own feelings and thoughts. Queer (when used in terms of sexuality) is often used as a handy umbrella to describe 'not-100%-straight'.

It is not 'phobic' to ask questions. It is not phobic to question someones identity as 'queer' given that person's misogynistic views of womanhood. Given that the question seemed to be "Why is she coming out as queer when she has a boyfriend?", that is a little bit queerphobic tbh. And also, you can absolutely be queer and misogynistic - queerness is not some token of virtue. I know plenty of queer people whose views on women are questionable.

Like I said, I don't like JJ at all - think she's a self-serving show off. But please can we retire the questioning of people's sexuality just because it doesn't make sense to you.

I'd listen to Kim K over Jameela about products pregnant women might like. Kim famously gained a fair bit of weight during her first pregnancy so will understand how it can feel to have your body change so dramatically, and not have that 'skinny with a nice round bump' acceptable pregnant body. If a woman feels more comfortable in an outfit she wants to wear because she's got some pregnancy shape wear on then good for her.

From a quick look at Twitter it appears that ‘Queer’ is a term you use to identify yourself if you also fancy a bit of oppression.

@Sanitisethat 'Nuanced' Hi Jameela 👋

yes quite raddled!

she got a job presenting Legendary a show focused around Vogueing which is rooted in the LGBTQ scene. There was a huge backlash as people pointed ot she was taking a place that should by rights go to someone who is LGBTQ

at which point she announced she was queer

how very convenient.....

@yelyah22

I don't understand what queer is either. That doesn't make me phobic. Queer has lots of overlapping meanings, but broadly 'not heterosexual and/or cisgender'. I didn't say not understanding what queerness is is phobic but whoever said "came out" in inverted commas as though it was a made up concept, or someone in a relationship with a man couldn't come out, was certainly flirting with dismissing either queerness, or queer women in seemingly heterosexual relationships.

If it is gay or bi why not use those words. As I understand it some gay and bi people find the term queer offensive. Yes, some gay and bi people do. Others don't. As she's a queer woman, she's entitled to use that term for herself - she didn't claim to speak for all gay or bi women. And as she's in a relationship with a man, we can assume she didn't mean gay. But being queer might be - mostly straight but sexually attracted to the same gender, or attracted to people regardless of gender, or gay with exceptions, or lots of other nuanced and specific-to-a-person versions of sexuality, because every single person has their own feelings and thoughts. Queer (when used in terms of sexuality) is often used as a handy umbrella to describe 'not-100%-straight'.

It is not 'phobic' to ask questions. It is not phobic to question someones identity as 'queer' given that person's misogynistic views of womanhood. Given that the question seemed to be "Why is she coming out as queer when she has a boyfriend?", that is a little bit queerphobic tbh. And also, you can absolutely be queer and misogynistic - queerness is not some token of virtue. I know plenty of queer people whose views on women are questionable.

Like I said, I don't like JJ at all - think she's a self-serving show off. But please can we retire the questioning of people's sexuality just because it doesn't make sense to you.

What a load of old waffle and a grasping claim of a word used to slur gay people by anyone that wants to feel special because they feel like they are not one hundred percent heterosexual.

Sorry @CitizenFame are you suggesting non-straight people have to be 'fully' gay to use terms about themselves now? Do bi people not get a choice what they call themselves?

@Imworthit

She's tall and slim, model perfect, always made up, perfect hair, beautifully dressed and all she seems to do is rage at other women for their beauty choices. I know we can't help how we look but she just seems the biggest hypocrite. AIBU for thinking this?

She is not a body posituve advocate.

She's a media luvvie with a career to think about.

Imagine identifying so strongly as being queer (her words obviously) that you totally forgot to ever mention it despite a long history of pontificating on social media about gay rights and acceptance. And then, when you find yourself being the victim instead of the finger pointer, you suddenly remember that you were queer all along and just hadn't felt the need to mention it. I mean, what are the chances?

Jameela is absolutely dreadful on a number of levels.

She reminds me of the girls at school who would try and make the misfits not misfits by making them behave just like them. You just need the right pencil case and opinions and everything will be ok, you're with JJ now. You are put of the sisterhood. You'd best toe the line bitch.

Didn’t she like a book that was deemed ‘bad’ by some offer followers so she back-pedalled fast enough to get a nosebleed?

I cannot stand her. She's invented this persona to try to be a relevance in the LGBTQ community but she's just a super annoying woke big mouth.

I rarely get too,worked up about boring celebrities but her clear misogyny gets right under my skin. The refusal to say the word woman is pathetic. Queer, my arsehole - shut up you twat!

@BiBabbles I think most body neutrality advocates would entirely agree with what you said alittleprivacy, at least the ones I know are more of the 'if you do not love every inch of yourself and think yourself as gorgeous all the time & talk like an Instagram image about one's looks, that's fine. It's fine to focus on taking care of yourself and connecting with your body as is and health

I guess I just don't see that as neutrality. It's more like true love and acceptance rather than a more surface attraction. I think if anything I was more "neutral" about my body when I wasn't respecting it. When I was letting it get slowly out of shape and bit by bit lose it's ability and health. Since I've been focussed on what my body can do (which is something I was very lucky to stumble into by accident) I'm kind of in awe of it and I want to treat it well because I want to maximise it's/my abilities and keep it/me working as well as it can for as long as it/I can.

I know who she is, but all my observations are from 10 minutes just now of Google etc.

I am quite certain that her background of growing up in a violently abusive household, and the repercussions of that, together with attending an extremely particular sort of private school in London have gone a long way to help mould the person she is today.

Many, many women who have been through similar have ended up complicated lives (I’m being as euphemistic as I know how), but unfortunately, add in a career in the spotlight, and I would say it’s going to be like watching an extremely slow car crash.

I have no doubt that she may suffer EDS, but the problem is that there are so many other issues, no one is going to take anything seriously.

She has made the mistake of sharing every bloody thing that’s ever happened to her, over-elaborating, because being invisible may be the worst torture ever, and now she has this huge back catalogue of quotes, stories, etc, that can’t be edited back down.

I probably sound as if I’m sorry for her. I don’t think I am, but I recognise a lot of the trauma-based behaviours.

I agree, it probably is closer to real love and acceptance, but I think it was in part a reaction to some of the social media around "body positivity" and people going on about the surface attention/how gorgeous everyone apparently is & should think themselves to be and calling it body love/positivity so called it body neutrality instead to contrast - more than you don't need to have those kinds of strong positive feelings of being stunning, feeling more neutral while focusing on health and acceptance & learning & enjoying what it can do is good.

@caughtalightsneeze

Imagine identifying so strongly as being queer (her words obviously) that you totally forgot to ever mention it despite a long history of pontificating on social media about gay rights and acceptance. And then, when you find yourself being the victim instead of the finger pointer, you suddenly remember that you were queer all along and just hadn't felt the need to mention it. I mean, what are the chances?

Yes, it’s extraordinary, isn’t it.

So fucking sick of woke muppets appropriating words and making them meaningless.

But “queerphobia” did give me a good laugh! IME, people who can use a word like that in all all seriousness may well be raging misogynists and homophobes who don’t respect women’s rights to boundaries and single sex spaces, and people’s right to be exclusively same-sex attracted at all.

People who try to break down other people’s legitimate boundaries are ones we should quite rightly be phobic of, IMO.

She comes across as such a nasty bully. After Caroline Flack's death, Piers Morgan leaked some DMs from her saying that she was upset with the hate JJ directed at her. Of course, rather than apologising, JJ whinged that she had been so triggered. Dishes it out but can't take it.

The queer thing annoys me. I'm a bi woman who is married to a man, so I know that being in a straight relationship doesn't invalidate your sexuality. But it was awfully convenient that it all came out when she was under fire for taking a job that could have gone to an actual LGBT person. She would throw a shitfit if someone else had done the same.

The only thing I've seen her act in is the Good Place where she plays an annoying narcissistic moron. Doesn't seem like she had to do much acting there.

but broadly 'not heterosexual and/or cisgender'

No such thing as cisgender anyone who spouts that kind of nonsense doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

If you google "Jameela" and "bees" you find things like this:

junkee.com/jameela-jamil-controversy-mark-ronson-bees/242763

There's been a lot of discussion about Jameela's bee assessment capabilities. So at least in that way she adds to the gaiety of the nations.

She’s an absolute tool who contradicts herself constantly and always has to be a victim of something. I can’t take a word she says seriously.