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Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To have a messy house?

106 replies

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 13:56

I've been a single mum for a few years, and got together with a new partner a year ago. He ended up moving in during lockdown - not very planned, but as a better alternative than not seeing each other.

My work got busier during lockdown but I had no childcare - and it's not going to get better for the next couple of weeks, until our new routine kicks off properly. My partner makes fantastic dinners and usually spends (by his estimate) about an hour in the kitchen each evening, tidying and cooking and washing up. He gets so dejected that the kitchen gets messy again each evening and the work needs to done over and over again. Obviously, this didn't happen in quite the same way when he lived alone and went to work and left an empty tidy house behind him!

I really do sympathise with him. I hate that houses get messy and housework is a never-ending hamster wheel.

But on days when I'm working through the day, taking breaks to meet my daughter's needs and then working right into the evening I just don't have the time to catch up on everything. I used to do housework in the evenings after my little girl was in bed, but now I usually spend that time with my partner which is obviously a good thing, I guess? And in any case, it would feel a bit odd working a 10-12 hour day then tidying the house...
I do housework sometimes - some days are 5 hours trying to get on top of the mess, other times it's the bare minimum because I'm snowed under with work. I also have a million other housework tasks beyond the kitchen that he doesn't seem to see and wouldn't consider helping with. Laundry, gardening, mowing the lawn, all the toys that my little mess monster strews everywhere, getting stains out of the wretched laundry which seems to take about an hour each time I do it... Shopping and putting it away... Tidying and decluttering a really overwhelming house (and when it's done my daughter can undo it in a couple of minutes the first time I turn my back, and there's no time to stop her because while she's busy emptying a box I can work...).

I think I'd need to work part-time to keep the house to the standard my partner expects. I'd like to work a bit part-time, but if he's living in the house I'd like it to be equal. I suspect that I need to tell him something like: 'When I'm not snowed under, I'll commit to doing more housework but you will need to do more too... And it might take longer than 1 hour each day for each of us if we want it tidy all the time... And on days when work is intense, it will take priority because it's an essential and the mess can wait.'

So, Mumsnetters, am I being unreasonable to expect him to put up with a messy house, when my life gets intensely busy? Or to share in the work it takes to keep it tidy?

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RUOKHon · 11/09/2020 14:01

Does he still live with you? Does he work? Does he contribute to the bills?

At the end of the day it’s your house and it’s hardly as if you’re being idle. Sounds like you’re run ragged. If he’s criticising you from the comfort of your sofa rather than rolling his sleeves up and mucking in to help, then he can fuck off TBH.

Ishihtzuknot · 11/09/2020 14:07

I’d expect him to pull his weight now he’s living with you he has to accept some responsibilities as the mess wouldn’t be just from you. It’s still your home and he needs to be respectful.
Can you agree on half an hour an evening having a tidy up before spending time together, this way you’ll keep on top of it and can have a proper tidy at weekends? If he makes excuses and doesn’t help you I’d seriously be reconsidering a future with him.

Ilen · 11/09/2020 14:11

He ended up moving in during lockdown - not very planned, but as a better alternative than not seeing each other.

Is it really, given the rest of your post?

Emeraldshamrock · 11/09/2020 14:12

I'd say meet on the middle. If he has given the kitchen a good clean every night/morning I'd try put stuff away after I use them to cook etc.
It is your house but he is living there if he's an otherwise decent guy do a rota.
I'd be miffed too if I clean and DP made a mess leaving it for me to re-clean after him.
You're both working.

hypochondriaceveywhere · 11/09/2020 14:12

If both of you tackle the cleaning it would be done in half the time and then you can spend time together.

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow1 · 11/09/2020 14:14

Honestly - if he's cooking you a nice dinner every evening then regardless of what other housework you do in the day, at least spend 15 minutes doing the dishes and wiping the surfaces so that he can start with a clean kitchen. It's the bare minimum really.

Adviceneeded20 · 11/09/2020 14:15

Is he contributing financially OP?

I live with my DP and work from home, I do all the housework during term time because he’s out from 6.30am-6pm, but during the holidays and at weekends, he’s amazing. I don’t mind that, but I am constant busy.

.. you’ve just reminded me that I need to wash the dishes Grin

Smallsteps88 · 11/09/2020 14:16

I think I'd need to work part-time to keep the house to the standard my partner expects.

Bizarre. If the house isn’t go his standard then he is free to work part time or hire someone to clean it. It’s not your job to meet his standards in your home.

ladybee28 · 11/09/2020 14:16

I also have a million other housework tasks beyond the kitchen that he doesn't seem to see and wouldn't consider helping with

So he gets to criticise your housekeeping skills while contributing nothing himself, and getting a big round of applause for spending an hour in the kitchen doing what's most likely a pleasurable activity for him?

He sounds like a DELIGHT. The kind of delight that needs to either step up or shut up.

Emeraldshamrock · 11/09/2020 14:17

Pen to paper breakdown each tasks and split them.
He won't have time to complain.
Can you both do a big decluttering once work settles down.

LannieDuck · 11/09/2020 14:19

I also have a million other housework tasks beyond the kitchen that he doesn't seem to see and wouldn't consider helping with. Laundry, gardening, mowing the lawn, all the toys that my little mess monster strews everywhere, getting stains out of the wretched laundry which seems to take about an hour each time I do it... Shopping and putting it away... Tidying and decluttering a really overwhelming house

Some of that's fair enough (I wouldn't expect someone to sort out my garden if they'd just moved in during lockdown), but I would expect him to do his share of: laundry, shopping, putting away, tidying.

Presumably you cook for your daughter and do lunches (for him too)? While he does every evening meal for you and him... I think that's fair. So I would expect him to share the other (routine) chores evenly too.

...I'm afraid the decluttering is all yours tho :P

How untidy and dirty does the kitchen actually get during 1 day? It sounds like your daughter is quite small, so shouldn't be playing in the kitchen anyway. Or is your DP tidying and cleaning up after his own mess?

MrsMcMuffins · 11/09/2020 14:20

Doesn’t it take just 20-30 minutes to tidy up a day? Little and often so you don’t have to live in a mess.

The80sweregreat · 11/09/2020 14:22

I agree that it's not just the kitchen is it? He needs to help out with the other things you've listed too. Do you both work weekends? If not you could tackle the other jobs then together or something?
It is disheartening with little ones as they tend to just make a mess and leave it! Plus you can't just leave them while you do other jobs ; it is relentless with a home to run and children to care for.
He will either have to accept it's like this or make more effort with the other chores.
You can't do it all and work from home as well.
Just getting upset about it doesn't help anyone really but maybe his also having problems adjusting to having children around : it is a big step from being on your own and everything tidy and staying that way , as he lived before lockdown.
It sounds as if your doing it all anyway!

SunbathingDragon · 11/09/2020 14:26

Do you want him to spend an hour in the kitchen every evening when he lives in the house and by the sounds of it could he spending the time cleaning and tidying the other rooms?

Diddledilld · 11/09/2020 14:26

I live by the attitude of 'put it away straight away'. If you're getting in the shower, undress directly into the washing machine or laundry basket. You drop food on the counter, just wipe it off immediately. You've had a cup of tea and bisquits, wash the mug off immediately and wipe crumbs away... You see what I mean? Makes a huge difference and you don't have to take extra time in the evening to sort things out. We are a family of 4 plus two dogs.. Could easily get out if control, but even the kids know where to put their dirty clothes etc, and I make them tidy away their own toys every night. Kids can help too.. And then.. he just has to accept you are a your own person and not the same as him..

dontdisturbmenow · 11/09/2020 14:29

If you clean after yourself each time there's mess, it doesn't take hours a day to clean. If you leave it for days to mount up then yes, it takes time.

Make it both a routine that there's no down time until all the essential is done. You get to relax together when all chores are dealt with.

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 14:30

@Emeraldshamrock

Pen to paper breakdown each tasks and split them. He won't have time to complain. Can you both do a big decluttering once work settles down.
I love this, Emerald! I think we're going to have to do this. Just don't really look forward to it as we're not very good at having stressful conversations without them turning into arguments. (He really is lovely, though!)

I think decluttering is going to be really important. He doesn't cope well with decluttering or tidying though - and to be fair, it isn't his stuff that's cluttering the place up, it's mine and my daughter's. (Though the kitchen I guess is full of stuff we both use, I guess?)

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ButteryPuffin · 11/09/2020 14:30

Don't disrupt your career and salary to spend more time doing housework to keep someone else happy. This affects you and your daughter's finances and security. It's not to be done lightly.

Why can't he cut his hours down to spend more time on cleaning if it bothers him? Why have you assumed it should be you? Perhaps he needs to adapt and cook meals that don't take so long or require so much cleaning up?

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 14:32

Thankyou everyone for your thoughts. It's very therapeutic reading a range of responses! Lots of really helpful ideas.

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SBTLove · 11/09/2020 14:33

How messy can a house get with 3 ppl in it?
I’m always mystified by these posts, I have 4DC, all up now, house was never a tip.
Everyone needs their own tasks to do, including child.
I hope he chips in financially and in other ways than just cooking.

ButteryPuffin · 11/09/2020 14:36

Reading your posts back, you've said he is spending an hour a day on cooking and clearing up. You are spending up to 5 hours a day on housework. Yet he is the one feeling overwhelmed and depressed, and you're the one feeling like you should be doing more and going part time! Think that over.

DishRanAwayWithTheSpoon · 11/09/2020 14:39

So what housework does he do? Just the cooking and the dishes?

Am I right in thinking you only have one DC? Why is your house getting so messy?

I think YaBoth u. You need to clean up after yourself as you go, he needs to do more around the house. Depending on how old your DD is she should be tidying up after herself as well (putting toys away, cups by the sink etc, simple tasks)

It really does depend on how messy the house is getting and how much you are both actually doing.

Teacher12345 · 11/09/2020 14:44

My husband only really sees kitchen mess so the kitchen is now his job, every day because as you pointed out, there are other things that need doing too.
For the rest, You need to get smarter at it. Throughout lockdown I started doing the orgnaised mum method. I spend 30 mins a day, by focusing on different area of the house. A month in, I am finding that some days it takes me just 15 minutes because I do the areas often enough for it not to get too messy (bedrooms) and then I can spend an extra ten minutes on the lounge tidying the toys away etc.
But I only do the kitchen once a week. DH does it the rest of the time along with sorting finances, the bins and we split school runs, bedtimes and washing.

Pleatherandlace · 11/09/2020 14:46

How messy does your house get? How old is your child if you have been a single parent for “a few years”, not sure why she is tipping toys all over the floor?

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