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To have a messy house?

106 replies

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 13:56

I've been a single mum for a few years, and got together with a new partner a year ago. He ended up moving in during lockdown - not very planned, but as a better alternative than not seeing each other.

My work got busier during lockdown but I had no childcare - and it's not going to get better for the next couple of weeks, until our new routine kicks off properly. My partner makes fantastic dinners and usually spends (by his estimate) about an hour in the kitchen each evening, tidying and cooking and washing up. He gets so dejected that the kitchen gets messy again each evening and the work needs to done over and over again. Obviously, this didn't happen in quite the same way when he lived alone and went to work and left an empty tidy house behind him!

I really do sympathise with him. I hate that houses get messy and housework is a never-ending hamster wheel.

But on days when I'm working through the day, taking breaks to meet my daughter's needs and then working right into the evening I just don't have the time to catch up on everything. I used to do housework in the evenings after my little girl was in bed, but now I usually spend that time with my partner which is obviously a good thing, I guess? And in any case, it would feel a bit odd working a 10-12 hour day then tidying the house...
I do housework sometimes - some days are 5 hours trying to get on top of the mess, other times it's the bare minimum because I'm snowed under with work. I also have a million other housework tasks beyond the kitchen that he doesn't seem to see and wouldn't consider helping with. Laundry, gardening, mowing the lawn, all the toys that my little mess monster strews everywhere, getting stains out of the wretched laundry which seems to take about an hour each time I do it... Shopping and putting it away... Tidying and decluttering a really overwhelming house (and when it's done my daughter can undo it in a couple of minutes the first time I turn my back, and there's no time to stop her because while she's busy emptying a box I can work...).

I think I'd need to work part-time to keep the house to the standard my partner expects. I'd like to work a bit part-time, but if he's living in the house I'd like it to be equal. I suspect that I need to tell him something like: 'When I'm not snowed under, I'll commit to doing more housework but you will need to do more too... And it might take longer than 1 hour each day for each of us if we want it tidy all the time... And on days when work is intense, it will take priority because it's an essential and the mess can wait.'

So, Mumsnetters, am I being unreasonable to expect him to put up with a messy house, when my life gets intensely busy? Or to share in the work it takes to keep it tidy?

OP posts:
Bluntness100 · 11/09/2020 15:45

Op, it’s hard to understand the real issue here because it’s so full of just how busy you are. Is the issue the kitchen is full of dirty dishes when he comes home every night and he needs to clean /tidy it before he can cook? Because you work and just put your and your daughters dirty dishes in there waiting for him?

Poppyismyfavourite · 11/09/2020 15:47

DH loves cooking btw, and frequently spends an hour cooking, but then he'll make a big batch of whatever it is, and we'll eat it a few times, so it averages out to about 20 mins a day!

Bluntness100 · 11/09/2020 15:53

What is he cooking every day that takes an hour to cook and clean? Jesus wept

I’m not sure that’s it. It’s hard to read but I think he’s upset because he comes home and has to clean up all the ops dirty dishes and cooking stuff. That’s what’s taking the time.

potato2020 · 11/09/2020 15:53

Tidying and decluttering a really overwhelming house

your new dp is being thoughtless BUT your description of your house as overwhelming struck a chord with me.

your house shouldn't feel overwhelming. i've felt like that in the past. you need to take a week off and spend it decluttering. get rid of as much as you can, Get in a professional declutterer it's worth every penny - almost impossible to do it by yourself you need someone to re-programme your mind about your "stuff".

www.alifemoreorganised.co.uk/ someone like this, depending on where you live. Sue is amazing, very non judgemental.

Bluntness100 · 11/09/2020 15:55

I’d also say if the clutter and mess is all the ops, she can’t ask him to clean it. Especially if he comes home every night and cleans up her dirty dishes from the day then cooks for them. Yes sharing cleaning but this doesn’t sound like cleaning, it sounds like mess and her mess.

Nanny0gg · 11/09/2020 15:55

Is it just me that sees a number of red flags waving in the breeze?

MeridaTheBold · 11/09/2020 16:01

We're not in lockdown any more so why doesn't he move back to his own place? He's complaining about your house. He turns stressful conversations into arguments. You're wondering how to restructure your life to make your house meet his standards.
It sounds as though it's time to take a step back. He's acting like a house guest rather than a partner. You need to re-calibrate that or go back to living separately.
Plus, of course he knows there are lots of other tasks to do. He is just ignoring them because he doesn't want to discuss pulling his weight in those areas. He wants to focus on where he thinks you can do more not on where he should be doing more.

disgruntled515 · 11/09/2020 16:06

I can see both sides. Do you have a dishwasher? If so, load it throughout the day. if not, wash up as you go - so breakfast would presumably just be a couple of cereal bowls/mugs, same for lunch. It's not nice having stuff piled up all day waiting to be cleaned. Could your DP batch cook so you repeat a couple of meals a week?

heymacaroner · 11/09/2020 16:08

I think regardless of who is being reasonable or unreasonable about their share of the housework his attitude would ring alarm bells with me.
He seems to want congratulating on making the dinner and washing up?
Isn't that just part of staying alive and not living in squalor?
He doesn't seem to appreciate all the other things you do, by your own admission but should you really have to spend any time convincing him of that? Does he think laundry gets done magically or the children clear up after themselves constantly?
I'm not sure it's a great basis upon which to start the relationship tbh. I can't see his attitude changing he just seems to think everything is your responsibility.

SantaClaritaDiet · 11/09/2020 16:09

it sounds like you need a better system, even for your own sanity.
WHY does the kitchen even gets messy again in the evening? Confused
What on earth happens after he's cleaned it and tidied up? I would strongly recommend a dishwasher, everything put away in it and the kitchen stays clean all day.

Declutter... if it's needed, then yes, a little bit at a time, but if even you think it's needed, that's the only thing that will kickstart a change.

I really recommend TOMM, it's something I've always done before even reading about it and it works. Life is too short for cleaning! With 4 kids and a full-time job, I do chores first thing before leaving the house, and evening is just a quick wizz around tidying up.

You don't need to spend 1 hour doing laundry, stains come off just as well when the clothes soak with stain remover for awhile.

Lifeisabeach09 · 11/09/2020 16:12

Hmmm, this is one of the reasons why I'd never live with a man again (or not until my DD has grown and moved out, in the least.) I couldn't be arsed with the stress caused by differing standards and expectations of housework, especially with children involved.
He needs to accept that children increase the housework-load and step up with helping you in other areas OR shut the hell up and focus on his self-appointed kitchen duties (I highly doubt you've tasked him with kitchen prep, cooking and after-dinner clean up).
Perhaps, you both should write down ALL you do in terms of chores (inside and out) and compare the lists.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 11/09/2020 16:13

@Nanny0gg

Is it just me that sees a number of red flags waving in the breeze?
No, it's not just you. And, as usual, a shocking number of handmaids suggesting how the OP can enable this man in her own home even further, sort out his problems, make them her own - take on the issue with fucking 'chats' and systems and rotas blah blah blah.

Instead of seeing the folly of moving in someone without serious and protracted discussions and agreement about every aspect of shared life and if you can't come to such agreements, you don't move in together.

CSIblonde · 11/09/2020 16:15

If you do bits as you go along, it gets to be automatic, it's achievable ,it stays tidy & its not such a huge 'chore'. So hoover 1room during TV ad breaks . Wipe surfaces or clean floor while kettle boils or dinners in oven. Clean bathroom while kids are in bath. Leave each room as tidy as you found it with a 2min whip round whenever you leave it. Doing this instead a twice weekly 2hour exhausting blitz, plays to my low boredom threshold & means I stay on top of it.

CSIblonde · 11/09/2020 16:16

I mean both of you btw, not just you !

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 11/09/2020 16:17

I have Views on this sort of thing, where expectations are mis-matched.

I'm of the opinion that housework etc. should be shared, but if one partner expects it to be tidier than the other, then they should do more to ensure it's up to their standard. I have a friend whose DH is a total neat-freak - so he gets to do most of the tidying etc. because she really isn't, and they've agreed between them that she can't achieve what he expects, so it's up to him to achieve it. They both work and have no children.

My DH is a minimalist because he doesn't like to do tidying or clearing up or any housework at all, if he can get away with it. I am not. We have a lot of stuff, more than we should (granted) but he knows that if he expects it to be as tidy as he'd like it, I too would say that he should put more into keeping it that way. He doesn't want to do that, so he accepts the way it is.

Your partner needs to accept that he is no longer living in a bachelor pad where things stay as he left them. If he wants to become a longterm part of your family, then he needs to realise that this is how family homes often are, and either lower his expectations to more realistic levels (people ARE going to move stuff/use stuff/make mess as they LIVE in their home) or do more to get it to the standard HE wants.

SantaClaritaDiet · 11/09/2020 16:18

suggesting how the OP can enable this man in her own home even further Hmm

yes, because the OP seems to have such a happy and efficient system I do housework sometimes - some days are 5 hours trying to get on top of the mess

Man or no man, who on earth can be happy to waste their time doing housework?

Someone is taking over cooking, that should be a bonus, not an added chore. I have 4 kids and a full time job, I don't even do housework at the weekend and my house is never a mess. I don't like it, and it's so much quicker to keep a clean and tidy house than to tidy in the first place!
Toys take no time at all to put away when the rest is tidy and you have the right storage, you can be tidy AND kids having fun and a life.

SBTLove · 11/09/2020 16:22

@SantaClaritaDiet
Same here, how do 3 ppl make such a mess?
I see these posts often and tbf have little sympathy as it comes down to being messy and disorganised.

RuffleCrow · 11/09/2020 16:22

You moved in together for all the wrong reasons and now reality's kicked in. It doesn't sound like much fun.

tobedtoMNandfart · 11/09/2020 16:22

5 in our house, dumping stuff in kitchen all day. I usually spend at least an hour in the eve clearing up / cooking a meal... can I get a medal too?
He sounds like a prick.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 11/09/2020 16:25

yes, because the OP seems to have such a happy and efficient system I do housework sometimes - some days are 5 hours trying to get on top of the mess

It's irrelevant if she has a 'happy and efficient system' or any 'system' at all. It's her house. If she wants to live in a shit tip, that's her lookout.

Some are not bothered, some are, some outsource all of the domestic work.

The point is she was chuntering along as she pleased until she moved a man in without major discussion first because having someone in the bed at night was more important than a mature discussion about life together. Everyone's else's way of doing things is just that, their own business. One is not more superior to the other.

She doesn't need to do anything different, if this is she likes it, he moves back out and they carry on seeing each other as a couple that way.

Bluntness100 · 11/09/2020 16:27

I’d also agree it’s not working and it is likely going to get worse so prob better he goes back to his own place.

If you’re naturally messy and he does have to come back and clean up all your dirty dishes from the day to make dinner I can see why that would be frustrating. But it’s your house and you choose to live like that. If he does not like it he can leave, that is if you’re unwilling to compromise, which it seems a few posters think you shouldn’t.

Bluntness100 · 11/09/2020 16:28

I would add though that if the genders were reversed and a woman moved in with a man, and came home from wrk every night and he’d left his dirty dishes from all dat in the sink and she had to clean them up and then start cooking, folks would be telling her to get the fuck out. And fast and not to clean his mess.

Viviennemary · 11/09/2020 16:34

Is there an underlying reason your house gets so mess. Usual cause is too much stuff, not enough storage and no regular cleaning.

SantaClaritaDiet · 11/09/2020 16:34

It's irrelevant if she has a 'happy and efficient system' or any 'system' at all. It's her house. If she wants to live in a shit tip, that's her lookout.

but did you actually READ the OP? Let me just quote
I hate that houses get messy and housework is a never-ending hamster wheel.
I agree that people should live however they like, but clearly the OP is less than happy with the current (lack of) system. It sounds like the boyfriend is actually helping by doing the cooking, even if I cannot for the life of me understand how a kitchen gets messy after diner when it's been cleaned and tidy?

ClementineWoolysocks · 11/09/2020 16:42

How much of a mess is it that it takes five hours attempting to get on top of it? Can you get someone in to help you get to a level that you can manage in future?
I can't function in a mess, it's bad for my mental health so I tidy things straight away. It's on me though to do that as I'm the one with the problem, I wouldn't tell anyone else their way was wrong or expect them to live to my standards.