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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To have a messy house?

106 replies

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 13:56

I've been a single mum for a few years, and got together with a new partner a year ago. He ended up moving in during lockdown - not very planned, but as a better alternative than not seeing each other.

My work got busier during lockdown but I had no childcare - and it's not going to get better for the next couple of weeks, until our new routine kicks off properly. My partner makes fantastic dinners and usually spends (by his estimate) about an hour in the kitchen each evening, tidying and cooking and washing up. He gets so dejected that the kitchen gets messy again each evening and the work needs to done over and over again. Obviously, this didn't happen in quite the same way when he lived alone and went to work and left an empty tidy house behind him!

I really do sympathise with him. I hate that houses get messy and housework is a never-ending hamster wheel.

But on days when I'm working through the day, taking breaks to meet my daughter's needs and then working right into the evening I just don't have the time to catch up on everything. I used to do housework in the evenings after my little girl was in bed, but now I usually spend that time with my partner which is obviously a good thing, I guess? And in any case, it would feel a bit odd working a 10-12 hour day then tidying the house...
I do housework sometimes - some days are 5 hours trying to get on top of the mess, other times it's the bare minimum because I'm snowed under with work. I also have a million other housework tasks beyond the kitchen that he doesn't seem to see and wouldn't consider helping with. Laundry, gardening, mowing the lawn, all the toys that my little mess monster strews everywhere, getting stains out of the wretched laundry which seems to take about an hour each time I do it... Shopping and putting it away... Tidying and decluttering a really overwhelming house (and when it's done my daughter can undo it in a couple of minutes the first time I turn my back, and there's no time to stop her because while she's busy emptying a box I can work...).

I think I'd need to work part-time to keep the house to the standard my partner expects. I'd like to work a bit part-time, but if he's living in the house I'd like it to be equal. I suspect that I need to tell him something like: 'When I'm not snowed under, I'll commit to doing more housework but you will need to do more too... And it might take longer than 1 hour each day for each of us if we want it tidy all the time... And on days when work is intense, it will take priority because it's an essential and the mess can wait.'

So, Mumsnetters, am I being unreasonable to expect him to put up with a messy house, when my life gets intensely busy? Or to share in the work it takes to keep it tidy?

OP posts:
Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 11/09/2020 16:42

Yes, I did read it. Are you this chippy in real life? Do you leap down everyone's throat if they don't agree with you? Hmm It's still her house and how she runs it and sorts it is her business, if she wants to change, not because someone's moved in. Cooking is not 'helping', it's lifework, no one gets a medal for it.

There's no lockdown anymore. He moves back to his place and she sorts out her life if she wants to. Not to enable Mr Johnny Come Lately who Shock cooks.

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd · 11/09/2020 16:43

@Bluntness100

I would add though that if the genders were reversed and a woman moved in with a man, and came home from wrk every night and he’d left his dirty dishes from all dat in the sink and she had to clean them up and then start cooking, folks would be telling her to get the fuck out. And fast and not to clean his mess.
Yep! Move out and don't move back in.
ShesMadeATwatOfMePam · 11/09/2020 16:45

Nah he can move his arse back out again. He doesn't sound lovely. If he don't like your house he can piss off.

Angelina82 · 11/09/2020 16:53

So your ‘lovely’ partner only does one hour of mucking in per day-and that’s only the one thing he enjoys, and no doubt gets a lot of recognition and thanks for, can’t handle ‘stressful’ conversation without getting argumentative, and makes you feel shit if YOUR home isn’t as tidy as he’d like it?
Fuck that for a laugh. You should still be on your honeymoon period after a year of dating. Send him back home.

Angelina82 · 11/09/2020 16:55

Having said all that I’m not quite sure how your kitchen gets so messy after being cleaned up after the evening meal. Or by messy does he mean a couple of cups left on the side?

fuandylp · 11/09/2020 16:55

Mmmm I can see both sides here to be honest.
If he's cooked a meal and cleaned the kitchen afterwards I can see why he might be pissed off when he comes in the next evening to cook and there's a mess.
Why does the kitchen get messy during the day? I don't think it should. I think it's easy enough to wash up cups and put plates from breakfast and lunch in the dishwasher or wash up if you don't have one and then give the surfaces a quick wipe down.
So from that point of view YABU.

On the other hand, if he's one of these blokes playing the big hero because he cooks and washes up and takes the bins out, and therefore thinks he is exempt from any other chores, then he's being a lazy arse.

Try talking to him. Make a list of everything that needs to be done and discuss how to divide them up between you.
If he won't cooperate with this then you have the answer. My ex wouldn't and I should have chucked him out for that. It annoys me even now what I put up with from that shitbag.
Your DP needs to be doing more than cleaning the kitchen every evening and you also need to make sure the kitchen doesn't end up in a tip every day. And the rest of the work needs to be shared.

Valkadin · 11/09/2020 16:56

It’s not up to him to dictate standards in what is your home and he has moved in sort of by accident. But you can’t get on top of the mess even doing 5 hours a day? Forget what he wants what do you really want because if it’s as bad as you are making it out to be you could do with something being done for you and your DD. When she is older is it in the kind of mess that means she would be embarrassed to have friends round. That’s something only you really know.

EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 11/09/2020 16:57

So assuming that the relationship is good other than this, now that he is contributing to living costs, use that additional cash to hire a cleaner.

OverTheRubicon · 11/09/2020 17:03

I would add though that if the genders were reversed and a woman moved in with a man, and came home from wrk every night and he’d left his dirty dishes from all dat in the sink and she had to clean them up and then start cooking, folks would be telling her to get the fuck out. And fast and not to clean his mess.

This. I'm a single parent with 3 young DCs and don't think having a tip of a house or needing 5 hours to get on top of things is in any way inevitable. Mess does sometimes build up but both the DCs and work on tidying as we go. It sounds like OP you still have your child at home while working which IS hard, but surely now there are options for school or childcare? If so, then there shouldn't be mess all day that can't be cleaned as you go. He also shouldn't need to cook every night - cook double portions meals 3 X a week, reheat 3 X a week, then have takeaway or scrounged leftovers once depending on budget, and saves a lot of time.

You're within your rights to want him out for any reason but whatever you choose, you truly don't need to accept that this level of mess and housework is necessary.

SantaClaritaDiet · 11/09/2020 17:04

Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

wow, what an over-reaction when you are proven wrong!

SantaClaritaDiet · 11/09/2020 17:07

You're within your rights to want him out for any reason but whatever you choose, you truly don't need to accept that this level of mess and housework is necessary.

a 100% that

I would add that another adult in the house means 50% LESS housework, as you split it up instead of doing it all yourself. (I am making a wild guess that you have a washing machine and don't do laundry by hand obviously...)

I would go mad if I had to waste what little time off I have to do 5 hours tidying up personally. I hate housework, which is why my house is always clean and tidy. Seriously, a routine like TOMM is really helpful.

WhatamessIgotinto · 11/09/2020 17:08

How messy can your house get with two adults and one child?

WhatamessIgotinto · 11/09/2020 17:09

If you're often spending 5 hours on a day to keep 'on top' of the mess OP, there's something amiss here.

ColleagueFromMars · 11/09/2020 17:10

I'm wondering what he counts as mess. If he's used to a minimalist all clean white surfaces and no clutter, that's generally not realistic for life with a young child, especially not with no childcare and full time work ... let's face it the pandemic and lockdown has been seriously tough for you.

I really think I'd hold my boundaries with him on this. You're literally juggling two full time jobs, nurturing a new relationship and running a household of 3 people all by yourself, with an hour's input every day from him. Is he in full time work? It sounds as if he is doing a LOT less of the grunge work than you, and yet he's complaining that he's doing "so much" of it?

HerNameWasEliza · 11/09/2020 17:17

If you're often spending 5 hours on a day to keep 'on top' of the mess OP, there's something amiss here.

She's not. She said some days hardly any time and some days 5 hours.

LondonJax · 11/09/2020 17:22

If you're seriously fed up with the mess and the 5 hours tidying then you need to get some sort of system in place and the TOMM can help with that. Personally, I think some of her ideas are great but some don't work for me or the way I like our home to run - so I take what I need from the system.

But, if this is just because someone is insisting on pristine conditions then you need a serious talk. And when I say pristine I mean show home standard as opposed to giving the worksurface a wipe if you've made lunch, or washing up the dirty dishes you've used for lunch.

As for the other stuff you do, I understand that you/he may not feel comfortable with him doing some of the things as it's your house. But he could mow the lawn (leaving the plants to your care unless he's greenfingered), he could do the ironing, he could put a washing load on before he leaves for work so you can hang it out - your DC could help with that, passing the pegs or running about the garden whilst you do it. He could run a vacuum over the place whilst dinner's cooking (I don't know of anything I cook that means I am tied to the pots for an hour - even with simmering rice you get 15 minutes!) or whilst you're putting DD to bed, he could wipe over the bathroom when he uses it - then it's done if you just wipe down the shower or whatever when you and DD use it.

An hour a day cooking is nothing - he can help more with the general stuff. But yes, if you use the kitchen during the day, it's right that you wipe it down or hoover the floor if you've got stuff on it.

It's not easy working full time and having a DC to look after - something sometimes has to give a little, for a while. But if you don't like the mess you're in you need to find a way out of it. If he's finding the mess a nuisance then he has to help you, not just moan about it.

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 17:32

@OverTheRubicon

I would add though that if the genders were reversed and a woman moved in with a man, and came home from wrk every night and he’d left his dirty dishes from all dat in the sink and she had to clean them up and then start cooking, folks would be telling her to get the fuck out. And fast and not to clean his mess.

This. I'm a single parent with 3 young DCs and don't think having a tip of a house or needing 5 hours to get on top of things is in any way inevitable. Mess does sometimes build up but both the DCs and work on tidying as we go. It sounds like OP you still have your child at home while working which IS hard, but surely now there are options for school or childcare? If so, then there shouldn't be mess all day that can't be cleaned as you go. He also shouldn't need to cook every night - cook double portions meals 3 X a week, reheat 3 X a week, then have takeaway or scrounged leftovers once depending on budget, and saves a lot of time.

You're within your rights to want him out for any reason but whatever you choose, you truly don't need to accept that this level of mess and housework is necessary.

Just now, it's coming to a head right now because I still have only very limited childcare for a couple more weeks but work has increased ridiculously. So the life I feel stuck in right now is really tough! In a couple of weeks there'll be 9-3 childcare 5 days a week which will obviously help... (Until the next lockdown?!)
OP posts:
WhatamessIgotinto · 11/09/2020 17:34

@HerNameWasEliza what does 'some days' mean though? Every other day or every three weeks?

WhatamessIgotinto · 11/09/2020 17:35

How old is your DD @LizzyLovesTea?

SBTLove · 11/09/2020 17:36

@LizzyLovesTea
You’ve ignored many questions, how bad is the house if it ends up needing 5 hrs work?
Can you not ALL tidy as you go? including your child, what age is child?

Hotwaterbottlelove · 11/09/2020 18:10

Isn't a hour a fairly standard time to spend on an evening meal from start to finish? Nothing special about that to me.

I have no idea why you are comprehending going part time at work simply to reach his standards of cleanliness, that's bonkers.

If he has properly moved in then tasks need to be equally split. I'd suggest using one weekend for the two of you to really blitz the house so that you are both starting from a good position. It will be easier to do little bits after that.

Seeingadistance · 11/09/2020 18:14

.... we're not very good at having stressful conversations without them turning into arguments. (He really is lovely, though!)

There’s one massive red flag right there.

This shouldn’t even be stressful, never mind an argument.

LizzyLovesTea · 11/09/2020 18:33

@sbtlove, it's hard to give a full picture, sorry! This week was a combination of 2-3 hours on housework, 5 hour housework days and days when I just did the bare minimum. In the last 8 weeks I've been away most weekends, meaning there's not much catchup time and stuff like laundry is fine. Plus about ten days of the work needed to relaunch my business in a totally different, Covid-secure way - lots of 12 hour work days without childcare. Then ten days knocked flat by a nasty tummy bug then a week trying to catch up with missed business work, get my child ready to start school and catch up with the housework.
So there's lots of catching up to do!

OP posts:
OverTheRubicon · 11/09/2020 18:48

Why don't you have any childcare when you're working 12 hour days? It feels like that's the crux of the issue, it's driving a lot of the mess and also your general sense of mess and overwhelm.

What options do you have for help with your dd while you work?

Emeraldshamrock · 11/09/2020 18:57

You've so much on. Give him a duster and tell him to crack on.
I keep my house fairly tidy it has been difficult constantly doing the same thing while the DC were home throughout this madness.