To ask if there's something I'm missing about the allegedly "controversial" Diversity performance

[GlummyMcGlummerson]

Diversity performed on Britain's Got Talent, a performance which incorporated a message about BLM. Their performance, as usual, was incredible and sent out some great messages. The video is below.

It's had 10,000 complaints. Why?! am I missing something? Did someone's nipple pop out or something? What is the basis of people's complaints? The only reason I can think is that some people (probably because they're part of the problem) don't like it when others point out that there's racism in the world? Boo hoo to them

Love how the performance triggered the racists. Love it .

@AfolMummy- exactly

Love how the performance triggered the racists. Love it grin.

Yep, absolutely. It's got people talking. And it brings the likes of Jillyhilly and getoffyourhighhorse into plain sight. They are too dogmatic to change their views (which they can't really articulate in any cogent way) but hopefully others will see how fucked up those views are and see there is a different way.

It's a bit rich to suggest that its posters on here who are conflating BLM the slogan with BLM the political movement.

Obviously a statement of Black Lives Matter is a fact. But statements only go as far as they go - when someone thinks, Well what can I actually do , they will Google and then the political organisations will pop up. What are people supposed to think?

You can be against racism and yet disagree with some of the policy aims of the political movement.

I thought it was great. I had goosebumps watching it and have used it to have a discussion with my kids about racism and the experience of others around the world.
Can’t stand the show, but watched the performance to see what the fuss was about. Horrific that racism is still a thing. The sooner the human race can find love and respect for one another the better.

Tackling racism shouldn’t require a poster child, as you put so dismissively. It requires each and every person to be clear that killing people because of their skin colour is unacceptable

I never said tackling racism should require a poster child I said that I don’t like how BLM have made GF into the poster child for anti racism; I don’t think it’s likely to make anyone who doesn’t understand that racism is a problem go away and actually think about it.

I despise “BLM” as a political movement anyway I think they do more harm than good and they certainly don’t speak for me.

However i have digressed from my original point which was that some people thought Diversity’s performance was powerful, I thought it was nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Love all the white saviours rushing in to tell me how awful I am because I didn’t fall to my knees and beat my breast after watching it. Bet there’s lots of other things you could tell me I need to change about myself “for my own good” because of course you know better don’t you.

Did anyone actually want a discussion about the performance or did you just want to pat yourselves on the back for how “not racist” you are ?

‘White saviour’- another patronising phrase employed by those who seek to discredit the views of those who are against racism. Lazy labelling

We need educating, this was a great way to raise the issue

You've got to be taught
To hate
And fear
You've got to be taught
From year
To year
Its got to
Be drummed in your dear little ear
You've got to
Be carefully
Taught
You've got to be taught
To be
Afraid
Of people
Who's eyes are oddly made
And people who's skin is a different shade
You've got to
Be carefuly
Taught
You've got to be taught
Before it's too late
Before you are six
Or seven
Or eight
To hate all the people
Your relatives hate
You've got to
Be carefully taught
You've got to
Be carefully taught

Most people who've discussed the performance seemed to like it
You are quite entitled not to but you haven't said what about the actual dancing you don't like you have just said you don't like George Floyd (criminal), BLM (dangerous radical political organisation) or Diversity (publicity seeking).
Based on what you yourself have said your objections would appear to be personal/ political rather than artistic.
Obviously no-one is a racist just because they don't like a dance performance but if the reasons they feel it should not be on TV are that George Floyd deserved it, white people die too and it's nothing to do with the UK then those are racist sentiments that deserve to be called out.

I've just watched the clip on youtube and I thought it was powerful and moving, and cannot understand why anyone would choose to complain about it.

But then I've seen a lot of professional dance performances and I'm familiar with (particularly contemporary) dance conveying uncomfortable - and sometimes controversial or violent - themes. As an art form, that is one of the things that dance does.

I suspect that your average BGT viewer isn't used to seeing that sort of thing and it can come as a considerable shock. When you are only used to seeing dance as light entertainment, something like that is going to jolt you out of your comfort zone.

I think it was fine. I don't watch that kind of programmes so had not seen it until this thread. As long as they would allow eg a pro Tory party dance or a dance about how women are beaten up by men so they are fair and balanced and do not allow one thing but not the other I see no problem.

@Xenia

I think it was fine. I don't watch that kind of programmes so had not seen it until this thread. As long as they would allow eg a pro Tory party dance or a dance about how women are beaten up by men so they are fair and balanced and do not allow one thing but not the other I see no problem.

Does Morris Dancing count?

Love how the performance triggered the racists
Me too. It's worrying where we're at as society where people will deny being racist whilst denying systemic racism exists and suggesting BAME people shouldn't use their platform to explore racism.

Of course, they're not racist...

@CatsFantastic

Tackling racism shouldn’t require a poster child, as you put so dismissively. It requires each and every person to be clear that killing people because of their skin colour is unacceptable

I never said tackling racism should require a poster child I said that I don’t like how BLM have made GF into the poster child for anti racism; I don’t think it’s likely to make anyone who doesn’t understand that racism is a problem go away and actually think about it.

I despise “BLM” as a political movement anyway I think they do more harm than good and they certainly don’t speak for me.

However i have digressed from my original point which was that some people thought Diversity’s performance was powerful, I thought it was nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Love all the white saviours rushing in to tell me how awful I am because I didn’t fall to my knees and beat my breast after watching it. Bet there’s lots of other things you could tell me I need to change about myself “for my own good” because of course you know better don’t you.

Did anyone actually want a discussion about the performance or did you just want to pat yourselves on the back for how “not racist” you are ?

How do you know who is white British?

And that the only reason some people can think that people might have in challenging racism is to look good. On an anonymous forum.

Piers Morgan has said that anyone complaining about the dance has something wrong with them. I expect he was just desperate to appear woke.

I have to say noble that even a broken clock is right twice a day. It's a horrible feeling when you hear Piers Morgan and think 'damn he has a point', but credit where it's due if he's called out people complaining.

PM has been outspoken about condemning racism before in some of his tweets.

Doesn’t mean he has never said anything racist himself (hello offensive and outdated terms) or that some of his views on other topics aren’t awful. And some of the posts on this thread do look as if he wrote them!

'It's worrying where we're at as society where people will deny being racist whilst denying systemic racism exists and suggesting BAME people shouldn't use their platform to explore racism.'

This is such a lazy and predictable accusation. Have you been brainwashed by hysterical Piers Morgan?

It's like, for example, if anyone mentions legitimate concerns about trans issues some people automatically shriek 'transphobia!!' Criticism and different opinions don't equal transphobia and they don't equal racism.

Someone compared this gratuitous (if we're all repeating ourselves I'll join in) dance act on a crap talent show to a magician sawing someone in half, I mean really! That in itself is so patronising and childish I've no idea how Bear didn't say she 'sees you' .

I'd be ashamed to spam MN with that racist claptrap.

It's worrying where we're at as society where people will deny being racist whilst denying systemic racism exists and suggesting BAME people shouldn't use their platform to explore racism.'

This is such a lazy and predictable accusation. Have you been brainwashed by hysterical Piers Morgan?

Oh really?
Lazy accusation is it?
Let's have a look where you've denied systemic racism:

The 'pesky race issues' was actually police brutality in the US. I have sympathy for our police officers who are assaulted every 17mins yet they have this act recreating police brutality from another country, when in fact when it was the 'protests' in this country they had to creep around and put up with verbal abuse and attacks.

It is ironic to suggest there is systemic racism everywhere they are a successful and privileged act. But like Hamilton saying F1 is 'systemically racist' when he is the world champion (or was)

Oops. That's sounds worryingly like someone who denies systemic racism 🤷‍♀️

Shall we go back and see where you then tried to argue their privileged background means them exploring racism is as palatable as Jacob Rees-Mogg talking about poverty?

Or shall we have a good old laugh at the suggestion you're really only giving an opinion on the dance as an art form?

Now, tell us again how challenging your evident prejudice is remotely comparable to hard-line trans activists trying to silence gender critical feminists who express concerns for women's rights and safety whilst maintaining that trans people should also be free from hatred?

'It is ironic to suggest there is systemic racism everywhere they are a successful and privileged act. But like Hamilton saying F1 is 'systemically racist' when he is the world champion (or was)'

'Oops. That's sounds worryingly like someone who denies systemic racism'

You need to read what I actually said. 'It is ironic to suggest there is systemic racism everywhere when they are a successful and privileged act'. Of course racism exists, I've never suggested it doesnt but the racist accusations and 'systemic racism is everywhere', like transphobia accusations, are overused and do a disservice to those who actually experience bigotry.

Dominique Samuels make interesting points on racism if you cba to widen your thinking and Google her. Though she gets called awful racist slurs by other black people which is unpleasant and a bit hypocritical.