To ask if there's something I'm missing about the allegedly "controversial" Diversity performance

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Diversity performed on Britain's Got Talent, a performance which incorporated a message about BLM. Their performance, as usual, was incredible and sent out some great messages. The video is below.

It's had 10,000 complaints. Why?! am I missing something? Did someone's nipple pop out or something? What is the basis of people's complaints? The only reason I can think is that some people (probably because they're part of the problem) don't like it when others point out that there's racism in the world? Boo hoo to them

He was murdered yes but making him a martyr when he robbed a pregnant woman at gun point he was vermin
There are many more innocent black oriole going about their business and getting killed you can get arsey about

So what you are saying is that it’s ok for the police to murder people in public if they have a criminal record?

It does not matter what George Floyd did or didn’t do. What matters is the Police, the very people who are supposed to swear an oath to “protect and serve”, felt they could slowly kill a man while he and onlookers begged them to stop.

What matters is this disproportionately happens to black people. That the Police judge a person to be a criminal because they are black, so are more likely to shoot someone on that assumption, without even thinking of other ways to manage a situation.

Using your logic, @theworldhasfallenoutmybottom, it’s ok to kill black criminals. So how do you know if that black person is a criminal before you shoot them? Because they’re black in a white area? Or because they’re driving an expensive car?

When the Police in the US make the decision to kill a black person, you can be sure they don’t stop to check whether that person is innocent or not.

If they aren’t innocent, there is due process and a legal system to decide punishment. Not some cop on the street.

So what you are saying is that it’s ok for the police to murder people in public if they have a criminal record?

As unbelievable as that was, the thing that really got me was the idea that someone who protests about black people being murdered in any context whatsoever, up to and including for literally no reason whatsoever, is being "arsey".

He was murdered yes but making him a martyr when he robbed a pregnant woman at gun point he was vermin
If someone is a criminal then they should be tried and convicted and serve their punishment as outlined by the legal system of their country.
They do not need to be murdered.

There are many more innocent black oriole going about their business and getting killed you can get arsey about
People aren't "being arsey"
They're concerned that black people are being killed by police.

The rule of law does not say 'if someone has a criminal history then feel free to kneel on their neck or shoot them and kill them'.

The "arsey" poster also ignored my point about how come white people who engage in far more serious crimes including terrorism and mass shootings are generally treated much more politely and gently by police.

Dylann Roof slaughtered nine people in a mass shooting spree inside a church (and could easily have killed many more). There are photos and videos showing police arresting him and escorting him to a police car; they barely even touch him, allow him to walk to and get into the police car by himself (while black people who are arrested for the most minor of crimes are violently manhandled), they even went and got him Burger King because he was hungry!

Can you imagine if a black man walked into a white church with a gun and went on a mass shooting spree? He'd never made it out alive. Never. He wouldn't be given the softly softly approach and have police running around to his favourite restaurants. He'd be dead within minutes.

Dalton Potter shot a police officer plus another man, plus had a long criminal record far more serious than George Floyd. His arrest - his arrest for shooting a cop was arrested in a very gentle way.

Ditto mass shooter Kyle Rittenhouse.

Ditto Nicholas Schock, a Neo-Nazi with Swastika tattoos who was filmed joking and laughing with police officers as they allowed him to enter the police car by himself, after he was arrested for bursting into a restaurant nearly naked, shouting "The Aryan Nation will rule the world!” before hitting and sexually assaulting several women.

There are many many incidents of white criminals either attacking police, committing mass shootings, or committing terrorism, and being treated gently and respectfully by police without any force or manhandling. Yet black people who so much as drive with a broken tail light get roughed up, shoved on the ground, and manhandled so badly they suffer severe injuries.

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Good work MNHQ

There were BAME officers who were involved in the death of George Floyd
Are they also racist?

For me there was one part where it portrayed all 'white officers' to be the bad guys. There are a selection of bad people everywhere, in all walks of life & profession. I didn't feel that strongly about it though but it was something that caught my eye and i just thought 'not every single police officer is like that'. The police do an amazing job at keeping us safe and shouldn't all be categorised as being 'murderers'

How would you feel about a dance routine based on black on white violence ?

How would you feel about a dance routine based on black on white violence ?
But whatabout the poor white guys...

There's a lot of posters on here at the moment who seem intent on doing all they can to detract from the issue of systemic racism.

Just to clarify, the dance wasn't saying 'here's a white guy being violent to a black guy'. The dance was pointed out systemic racism in the police force where black, usually men, are being murdered.

Would you be criticising charities raising issues of domestic violence (which is disproportionately a male crime against women) out by spouting incel crap like 'but women can be violent and abusive too'?

@theworldhasfallenoutmybottom

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Good work MNHQ

Yes, good work MNHQ. Thank you for deleting racist bilge.

Well done on the deletion, MNHQ. It's important that we all call out racism when we see it>

@theworldhasfallenoutmybottom, you are an embarrassment.

I wonder if the user name also relates to where the opinions come from.

lol yes for saying someone who robs a pregnant woman at knifepoint is vermin?
Touché @froggygoneacourting

There were BAME officers who were involved in the death of George Floyd
Are they also racist?

Nobody going to answer my last question?

@theworldhasfallenoutmybottom

There were BAME officers who were involved in the death of George Floyd Are they also racist?

Nobody going to answer my last question?

There is such a thing as internalised racism and by saying BAME, you are being pretty vague.

'There were BAME officers who were involved in the death of George Floyd Are they also racist?'

That'll be whataboutery you see. As is mentioning the white people murdered by the police in the US. Tony Timpa. That name wasn't all over the msm and sm strangely. I was told to start my own thread about him, it spoils the narrative to mention an unarmed white man who died in a similar 'restraint' in the US due to their police brutality.

I don't deny institutional racism but in this case I'm not sure it was racism

Don't know why that makes me a racist sack of shit/embarrassment/ worst person in the world

@theworldhasfallenoutmybottom

I don't deny institutional racism but in this case I'm not sure it was racism

Don't know why that makes me a racist sack of shit/embarrassment/ worst person in the world

As loathe as I am to repeat your poison (I've asked MN to remove my post that quotes it), it was more about your implication that it's not that bad to murder an unarmed prisoner without any trial or due process if they have a record, and your description of anyone who protests the murder of black people, including innocent ones doing nothing wrong, as "getting arsey".

You seem very offended at having a hateful post removed from a website. Lucky you aren't peacefully protesting the murder of black people through dance, hm?

I'm not on about the murder being bad it's the fact people have gone on about a 'tribute' to George Floyd. He was a violent criminal who deserves no tribute at all

@theworldhasfallenoutmybottom

I'm not on about the murder being bad it's the fact people have gone on about a 'tribute' to George Floyd. He was a violent criminal who deserves no tribute at all

We all know what you said and it's not welcome here.

www.statista.com/statistics/1123070/police-shootings-rate-ethnicity-us/

It says: “The rate of fatal Police shootings was much higher among Black Americans than for any other ethnicity” and shows the stats.

The same grim rate applies to the selection of the death penalty as well, of course.

You’re denying this fact quite deliberately when you insist that the white man (whose name you clearly found on google before posting) should have been included too, GOYHH. Why?

Yes strawberry that is a shocking statistic, I couldn't find any context though? Whether it was unarmed people or whether the shootings were after someone fired shots first? Obviously that would be relevant because if they are shot at then they would return fire. I'm not of course suggesting that is the case but context is important.

'you insist that the white man (whose name you clearly found on google before posting) should have been included too'

The white man?? Do you mean Tony Timpa? Imagine if we called George Floyd 'the black man', it would be disgusting. Yes people do need to Google him sadly because although he was unarmed and died in a police 'restraint hold' like George Floyd his name is not well known. Tragic and of course unjust as charges were dropped in his case.

You seem very concerned about the oppression of white men, GOYHH. Do you want to tell us more about it?

@Brusselsprouts21

For me there was one part where it portrayed all 'white officers' to be the bad guys. There are a selection of bad people everywhere, in all walks of life & profession. I didn't feel that strongly about it though but it was something that caught my eye and i just thought 'not every single police officer is like that'. The police do an amazing job at keeping us safe and shouldn't all be categorised as being 'murderers'

I don’t think it’s about individual police officers though, just as it isn’t actually about George Floyd as an individual. For me, the fact that a police officer could kneel on the neck of a black man for nearly ten minutes, as he died, in the face of god knows how many direct witnesses, filming it. That police officer had the weight of the institution behind him and the assumption that he would be backed by it, which he was, and which a plethora of other officers have been (see Breona Taylor.)

No, not all cops are killers and racist. Similarly, not all black men are violent and criminals, but the system allows for police officers to kill and act racist towards black men.

If it was an individual person thing, there wouldn’t have been the protests there were.