To ask what you think about a British government openly declaring that it will break international law?

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This is regarding Johnson’s government’s new stated dislike of the Withdrawal agreement, which Johnson turfed May out over, negotiated, and signed.

For those not watching the news (living under rocks as it’s the top headline), the new Internal Market Bill they are presenting has a clause to the effect that any international law or court can be ignored at will. There are severe repercussions for the GFA and NI. The government have openly confirmed they will break the Withdrawal Agreement and any international law they don’t like. The EU has of course objected, and Gove has confirmed the government does not care. Not only could this scupper talks with the EU, but with the US, who have always been broadly supportive of Northern Ireland. It damages our international reputation in general and risks us being seen as a rogue state. This is beyond political posturing, just as it is beyond the old remain/ leave arguments, because we have already left. A former Tory leader and lord has spoken against it.

For voting, let’s say it’s aimed at the government. So YABU - Britain should not start its independent existence as a sovereign state by breaking laws. YANBU - go ahead, international laws are there for the breaking.

@Clavinova - Which category have you put Australia and New Zealand into?

I'm sure your amazing Googling abilities will allow you to look up the definition of the word "generally" that I quite deliberately used in my statement.

I am sad.
But I am trying to be prepared.
And accept that my children will leave this country as it will provide no opportunities for them.

2016 - ah, that was when the 'esteemed' Mr Key and his band of nasty little henchmen were still in power - the National Party, NZ's version of the Tories, and yes, they were as corrupt and arrogant as this lot. Not as stupid, not quite as incompetent, but yes, definitely as corrupt and arrogant.

Their handling of the Canterbury earthquakes was as woeful as this bunch's handling of pretty much anything.

I am sad. But I am trying to be prepared.
And accept that my children will leave this country as it will provide no opportunities for them

This. Although I assume your children have EU/EEA/other non-UK passports. Sadly my son doesn't, so little chance of being able to work overseas.

I've stayed away from the Brexit boards as it was all so depressing. I really didn't think it would come to them trying to break international law. But they did illegally prorogue parliament.

Anyway, back to stockpiling, and I suppose it will actually all be needed this time (the last stockpile was needed a bit during the panic buying period but not much). Interestingly I think lots of other people must be, too, as the tinned fruit seems to be quite low in my area (two different supermarkets in two different towns).

What is being side stepped in the defence of breaking international law is that this Government:-
1. negotiated the treaty;
2. rushed it through Parliament and rejected further calls for time to review it;
3. ditched MP's that stated valid concerns;
4. signed it with great fanfare; and
5. then fed it to the nation during the election as the answer to Brexit

The treaty was their own shoddy work. Only the most ardent Brexiteer can find anything to be proud of here

Absolutely this. It was also made very obvious by the anti Brexit camp that the north of England would be hit very hard when denied many EU grants and that unemployment in lower earning groups would be high as a result. Couldn't believe it when north of England areas voted for this.

Johnson has broken so many laws - rank thuggery and vandalism when in the Bullingdon Club at University, making up stories when he was a journalist and getting sacked as a result, allowing racist articles to be printed in The Spectator when he was editor, conspired to organise a GBH on another journalist, broke his marriage vows and lied all the way through his election campaign, now he breaking international law.

The total Bawbag is a criminal thug with a posh accent. Anybody else would have been given a criminal record for his activities.

He never stands up to scrutiny by the press, refusing to appear on several TV channels - ever wondered why?

Cologne
Sadly my son doesn't, so little chance of being able to work overseas.
No.
But graduates with the right skills can move. So I'm supporting them in getting those.
I just hope I'll be allowed to visit them

So its ok for the government to break laws and then expect me to follow the rule of 6, fuckin hilarious

Interesting article by Emma DeSouza comparing the current breaking iof international law with her battle to get the UK to implement the GFA wrt nationality.

www.thejournal.ie/readme/brexit-breaking-law-5200862-Sep2020/

The British government really should hire someone to read the agreements they sign. It will be less of a surprise then when they're expected to adhere to various elements of them.

@Clavinova can go on about those breaches that other countries have made.

The key thing here is that is part of a deal between countries. And we are going to renege on that deal in part so it suits us.

So who the fuck is going to trust us to do a deal - when we seem to be showing how little we respect those deals.

My word is my bond and all that.

I guess @clavinova knows whose motto that is.

@StoneofDestiny, you forgot illegal prorogueing parliament and kicking two former chancellors and Churchill’s grandson out of the party. Not to mention retaining fucking Cummings.

Interesting article by Emma DeSouza comparing the current breaking iof international law with her battle to get the UK to implement the GFA wrt nationality.

The Home Office changed its immigration rules as a "concession" - the Upper Tribunal court had ruled in the government's favour in September 2019. It was a political decision to change the rules;

"In January 2020, the UK government committed to "change the rules governing how the people of Northern Ireland bring their family members to the UK", as part of the power-sharing deal that restored the Stormont institutions - but only now have the laws changed."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-52660737

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Sadly not forgotten, but I should also mentioned his racist ramblings; watermelon smiles, Muslim women looking like pillar boxes etc. He can do and say what he wants it seems - you or I saying such things would rightly have been disciplined at work or list our jobs. He gets to lead the country! He's brought the office he holds and the country into disrepute - but he'll walk away with a seat in the Lords.

Johnson has broken so many laws - rank thuggery and vandalism when in the Bullingdon Club at University

I haven't come across anything specific relating to Boris Johnson's membership of the Bullingdon Club.

Here you go - in full kit

Here you go - in full kit

You misunderstood me - I know Boris Johnson was a member of the Bullingdon Club - where does it say he was involved in rank thuggery and vandalism as a member?

TBH - it's out of our hands what happens now.

Either the Tories will blink, the EU will blink or neither of them will.
And the EU has a lot more power in this negotiation than we do.

I wonder what move the EU is planning?

Senior Tories are still threatening rebellion. How many will lose the whip this time?
news.sky.com/story/brexit-boris-johnson-urges-tory-mps-to-back-bill-amid-stand-off-with-eu-12069442

Plus there are troubles with the EU getting shirty about accepting British animal products due to bio security concerns. The reality check is starting.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54117766

@Clavinova

Here you go - in full kit

You misunderstood me - I know Boris Johnson was a member of the Bullingdon Club - where does it say he was involved in rank thuggery and vandalism as a member?

It’s part and parcel of membership as far as I know. Remember Cameron and the pig?

Basically as a lay person I am guessing the remaining EU27 especially with Germany, France, Italy and Spain will have the upper negotiating hand. However we still have a limited limited number of good cards to play (I hope!) as we still have things the EU27 can't produce or serve overnight. I am thinking complex City financial services, law and related specialist professional services, fintech, biotech, advanced engineering and design plus possibly advanced higher level university education etc. On the other hand we will need to import food, medicines and medical supplies, energy, raw materials for manufacturing, manufactured products etc. Not all these things are sourced within EU27 but I am guessing a large percentage would be currently and so will impact UK based supply chains and increase cost (dramatically!). Essentially common sense would suggest we need a backup plan B to replace challenging trading relationships with ex partners with new partners.

Jeremy Hunt was a member of the Bullingdon Club - was he involved in rank thuggery and vandalism as well? Can't picture it myself.

Bullingdon or not. Darius Guppy.

@Clavinova

Jeremy Hunt was a member of the Bullingdon Club - was he involved in rank thuggery and vandalism as well? Can't picture it myself.

Why not? Could you have pictured Cameron?

Jeremy Hunt and Guppy? He wouldn't contemplate it. Boris, however . . .

It’s part and parcel of membership as far as I know. Remember Cameron and the pig?

"David Cameron breaks silence on ‘false and ludicrous’ dead pig allegations."

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-pig-penis-dead-mouth-oxford-initiation-ceremony-bullingdon-club-a9111246.html

You misunderstood me - I know Boris Johnson was a member of the Bullingdon Club - where does it say he was involved in rank thuggery and vandalism as a member?

They all were - it was their 'jolly japes' and 'fun with the plebs'. Seriously - do you imagine they were attending afternoon tea with their grannies?