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DP lying - help me figure this out

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diannetol · 07/09/2020 09:38

Hi all. NC as outing - not posted this topic before so this might be long to not dripfeed.

For background: around 4 months ago, I finally caught DP out lying. I'd been suspicious for ages but made to feel like I was completely wrong. He was using an anonymous online chat room (not one ever listed on here) to speak to people. Whilst you can speak innocently on this I knew what he'd use it for which he admitted, speaking to other women. It's a childish weird website and he gave me his username once caught and login (i'd have never found this out) and I read it all. It was quite boring, a bit like an alter ego. It wasn't emotional and I knew it hadn't become physical so I am still deciding what to do because I was willing to try and see if we could heal - however I was very hurt. I only found out because he was caught with solid evidence, before he just denied anything circumstantial.

Now, I need to tell this story which is a bit TMI but is the only way to explain.
Last night DP said he was horny, I wasn't but it was also whilst we were watching TV and I said I will be later. He then went for a shower and I said 'don't wank' because I thought we could instead have sex. He took a while in the shower so I kind of knew and asked him when he returned very casually but he said he hadn't. I then went to brush my teeth and noticed there was baby oil on the toothpaste. I then just knew - it's the only reason he'd ever touch baby oil. He immediately denied it. Almost laughed AT ME and then even said 'if you want to believe I did then sure I did'.

He eventually admitted he did wank but said he never used baby oil "why would I, in WATER that doesn't even make sense" I explained how it's the opposite actually. It took an argument later for him to actually admit the baby oil usage. It then became a horrible argument, he said he wanked because "he would rather wank than have sex with me" and how he's not attracted to me (because of my personality - he is very physically attracted to me - he didn't say this but he can't deny it as it's always something he remarks on).

We now aren't talking and I don't even know why he feels so morally right in this instance. I'm angry and I'm upset. I don't care that he did what he did, I care that he lied. I cared that after everything, I have to still catch him out and be relentless with my questioning to get the truth. If he had just been honest when asked I'd have actually trusted him more.

So this is where I need your advice, ignoring LTB or whatever, I still have to live in a house with him, we just bought this house and it was very expensive. We would struggle to sell. So how do you handle a man in this situation?

When he lies and is caught out, he laughs almost like a psycho, he then makes the argument not about what he's done but about anything else and all my flaws, he then tries to say things to hurt me. What is the best approach? I used to think that it is to say 'look I don't care, just be honest' but that didn't work! I'm quite numb to him saying anything mean so it doesn't really hurt me.

A long time ago a therapist (with an ex partner) told me that the issue is if you speak to someone like you're a parent, they'll respond like a child. I'm wondering if that's applicable here.

Overall, I don't think what he did was a big deal (last night, not the thing 4 months ago) but it was the lying. Which I've explained to him. He almost deflects it because I'm sure he knows it's wrong. he then says how he only lied to avoid an argument.

OP posts:
Duemarch2021 · 07/09/2020 11:45

Personally.. I'd be gone.. thats just me though. I CANNOT handle being lied to because I have a bad anxiety about it. It would stick in my head and I'd never be able to trust a word ever again. It does sound like your relationship is struggling. I dont know if you are happy but hes obviously not for whatever reason. Its up to you if you want to try and work though but id be thinking about going seperate ways. Maybe you should start making plans to do that? X

Thripp · 07/09/2020 11:45

I see the OP has shed some vague light on it, but I'm still a bit mystified. Did he cover his hands in baby oil before having a wank? And if so, how would you know this was his habit, unless you had had a rather too personal conversation about wanking practices? Confused

Covert20 · 07/09/2020 11:45

“Cool story Bro” is a handy phrase for liars...but seriously OP, this relationship is dead.

ShastaBeast · 07/09/2020 11:50

@Thripp

I see the OP has shed some vague light on it, but I'm still a bit mystified. Did he cover his hands in baby oil before having a wank? And if so, how would you know this was his habit, unless you had had a rather too personal conversation about wanking practices? Confused
Some people have very sheltered lives. Circumcised men often need lube. If you are touching him during sex you may also need it or it can hurt - there’s no give. Obviously I don’t know whether he’s circumcised but it may be he finds it preferable, has a tight foreskin. Its a very common trope in American film and TV so not niche.
Drok · 07/09/2020 11:50

With people who lie, it's unreasonable to expect the truth from them. Sometimes they will lie, sometimes not, and you won't be able to tell the difference. It's hard to accept, but you have to accept it while you are with them.

Some tips are:

  • Never ask them a question that puts them on the spot, because then they will be most tempted to lie.
  • Watch their behaviour to know what they are like.
  • His voice is like the chattering of a squirrel. You can enjoy its friendly sound.
Cruachan31 · 07/09/2020 11:53

You didn’t want sex when he asked as you were watching TV. Not really a great response to be honest, that you’d rather watch TV than shag! I would be pretty disappointed if my dh put having sex below watching TV.

I think you are both to blame, for how your relationship has sunk to the depths it has. I don’t think I would have wanted to carry the relationship onwards after him lying months ago, but I also think you are too controlling.

The biggest thing I can’t understand is “around 4 months ago, I finally caught DP out lying. I'd been suspicious for ages but made to feel like I was completely wrong.” Why on earth would you complete on a house purchase with him when you suspected (possibly even knew?) he was lying to you??

MatildaTheCat · 07/09/2020 11:53

How to stop caring about his white lies? You just have to do exactly that- stop caring. Even when you know for certain he’s lying don’t challenge him, what’s the point? All this nonsense about wanking is neither here nor there, it’s the lying about anything and everything which is the killer. So ignore it.

You’ll basically stop communicating beyond the absolute bare minimum which is fairly soul destroying.

He’s said and done some awful things. Your next thread should really be asking how to get out of this mess. And put it on Relationships.

diannetol · 07/09/2020 11:59

@Thripp

I see the OP has shed some vague light on it, but I'm still a bit mystified. Did he cover his hands in baby oil before having a wank? And if so, how would you know this was his habit, unless you had had a rather too personal conversation about wanking practices? Confused
haha ok I will explain.

I bought baby oil recently for when I tan my skin dries and it works well. So I usually have the oil by my bedside. A month or two ago, during foreplay, we decided to use it. He now prefers the feel of it.

The baby oil made its way to the bathroom as I used it in a bath. He obviously put it on his hands getting ready, then realised he needed his toothbrush so probably coated himself (lol) and then grabbed the toothpaste, getting it oily. The end.

OP posts:
SoulofanAggron · 07/09/2020 12:01

I wouldn't want to be grilled about wanking.

@diannetol What sort of thing was he doing in the chatroom?

VictoriaBun · 07/09/2020 12:01

So if you scratched your bum or picked your nose whilst taking a shit , do you tell your bf ? In a relationship you don't have to know 100% what that person is doing - it's called privacy and everyone is entitled to it. Him telling you he hasn't ranked is just his right to privacy. No big deal.
However the issue of him being in some chat room talking to women only ( if that is what is happening ) probably does warrant a conversation.

UnfinishedSymphon · 07/09/2020 12:03

How romantic, don't wank I might be up for it later, how to ruin the moment!

diannetol · 07/09/2020 12:05

@Cruachan31

You didn’t want sex when he asked as you were watching TV. Not really a great response to be honest, that you’d rather watch TV than shag! I would be pretty disappointed if my dh put having sex below watching TV.

I think you are both to blame, for how your relationship has sunk to the depths it has. I don’t think I would have wanted to carry the relationship onwards after him lying months ago, but I also think you are too controlling.

The biggest thing I can’t understand is “around 4 months ago, I finally caught DP out lying. I'd been suspicious for ages but made to feel like I was completely wrong.” Why on earth would you complete on a house purchase with him when you suspected (possibly even knew?) he was lying to you??

I thought it was my problem being anxious. I sat him down before we went through with the house and explained how I felt and that going through with this house would be killer if he's lying. He assured me I was just paranoid...
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Mintlegs · 07/09/2020 12:07

I think you have had some useful advice on here (and some not so helpful)! Work on you, don’t sweat the small stuff of examining your partners every move. Most people tell white lies. If you are happy in yourself and self assured this reflects in your persona and people warm to this. I’m sure you dont wish to be arguing like this. Change your approach and see if he does. If you are still unhappy, you know you tried.

suggestionsplease1 · 07/09/2020 12:09

This is just a really unhealthy dynamic. And whilst your therapist is right 'If you speak to someone like you're a parent, they'll respond like a child', the converse is true too - 'If you behave like a child, they'll respond like a parent'.

So if you have any interest in addressing it, you've both got to look at that dynamic, how it originated, and how you can stop it.

I do think people can feel put under pressure for responses where they know the honest answer won't go down well; if there was a really bullying, controlling dynamic going on there would be that temptation to just say something that will give the easier life. And then perpetuate the lie to try to cover it up.

That doesn't make it excusable however, and many people are just so immature that the threshold for them being tempted to do this is extremely low. I couldn't waste my time on that.

However if I thought I was putting someone under unreasonable pressure to answer to me for trivial things, and then hounding them for the truth after, I'd have to look at myself and see if my demands and expectations were excessive and I was contributing to an unhealthy dynamic.

RandomMess · 07/09/2020 12:10

Until you can sell up just set the house up as a house share.

Hopefully you have 2 bedrooms???

Bananalanacake · 07/09/2020 12:13

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought there was oil on the tube as he was shoving it where the sun doesn't shine, I mean, Ouch Shock

MiddleClassProblem · 07/09/2020 12:14

@Bananalanacake

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought there was oil on the tube as he was shoving it where the sun doesn't shine, I mean, Ouch Shock
🤣🤣🤣
MiddleClassProblem · 07/09/2020 12:14

Well then he wasn’t wanking...

raddledoldmisanthropist · 07/09/2020 12:19

he was definitely being nasty, he also went into how I am diagnosed with mental health issues and no one will ever want to be with me.

I had no doubt he said nasty stuff (I'm sure everyone has experienced really horrid arguments with a partner where both of you are being dicks), I was just sceptical he was mendacious. It's clear that either he is utterly horrid, or your perceptions are coloured by hating him, or both.

I know I need to LTB that's why I said not the point of the thread. I want to know how you handle a man who acts like this about ANYTHING when he gets caught out in white lies.

Stop having sex with him. Don't catch him out in unimportant lies (least of all about his masterbatory habbits). Spend a few days clearing your head and making a plan, then sit him down and discuss the mechanics of separating in a neutral, calm way.

If he starts drama and doesn't want to break up, disengage and do it in writing instead. Don't bother trying to establish blame or win arguments- only discuss practicalities dispassionately and leave him to do what the fuck he wants.

ZaZathecat · 07/09/2020 12:21

He doesn't like your personality, he lies to you, you don't seem to like each other at all. I'd be discussing separation arrangements.

PullTheBricksDown · 07/09/2020 12:22

Do you both really want to stay in this relationship? It sounds like a lot of hard work and unpleasantness.

Totally off point but I can't get past
my assumption is he put oil in his hand ready but wanted to brush his teeth in the shower as he often does

Do people clean their teeth in the shower? Why? Surely it's more trouble than just doing it at the sink? Confused

oakleaffy · 07/09/2020 12:23

@Elsewyre

"Last night DP said he was horny, I wasn't but it was also whilst we were watching TV and I said I will be later. He then went for a shower and I said 'don't wank"

Hmm

Bizarre! ALL men surely 'Pleasure themselves' wether in relationships or not, but really, it ought to be a private thing.

What a very odd thing to say to a partner though?!

canigooutyet · 07/09/2020 12:24

@Bananalanacake

Please tell me I'm not the only one who thought there was oil on the tube as he was shoving it where the sun doesn't shine, I mean, Ouch Shock
You're not the only one. Anyone who has used baby oil in the bath/shower knows hands need to be dried. Although I'm also wondering how much he used if there was enough trace left on the toothpaste tube hours later. Doesn't he wash his hands?

In future, for lube op use a water based one. IF you decide to end this relationship, oil and condoms don't mix.

ancientgran · 07/09/2020 12:31

Sometimes you have to respect someone else's privacy. If he's involved with someone online that is different but policing what he's upto in the shower is really controlling and I don't blame him for laughing like a psycho.

oakleaffy · 07/09/2020 12:34

Oil and condoms don't mix
Too true..
I was having a blood test once, and watched in surprise as the latex gloves on the nurses' hand just disintegrated on the glove backs.

She said she's used hand cream as her hands get very dry.

It was a new type of hand cream.
latex gloves are a lot thicker than yer average condom, so oil and condoms would be a serious no no. 😱