Do people think schools will have to close again

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Jut curious.

I think maybe a week or two will end up tacked onto the Christmas holidays and Easter holidays.

It’s all good and well wanting the children in and I want mine in to but we don’t want things getting out of hand either.

Hopefully pubs/restaurants/hair dressers etc will be closed first also bans on meeting people again all before nationwide lock down with school closed.

Actually it would be quite nice to have a longer Christmas break.

I think the country can afford to keep children off school as a fairly small portion of workers have primary school age children.

That may be the case, but as it has been said that the schools will be the last thing to be shut next time, by the time they have then we will have all our non essential retail, hospitality and leisure employees out of work again.
It’s so damaging to the economy and mental health, and that is going to cause more deaths than the virus.

@WALKING2 same here. Our pick-up was chaos on the first day back (last Thursday). Even though head had sent emails detailing staggered pick up times for each year group, everyone just turned up at the normal time!

The get-there-early-and-stand-about-and-chat-and-have-a-fag-outside-the-school-gates lot did their usual thing at their usual time (quarter to 3) and the queues of parents backing up from that stretched right down the lane both ways and into the road until it was just basically a massive crowd! Totally unnecessary

Our school have only staggered times by 5 minutes. Crazy I’m dreading it. Five minutes is nowhere near enough for a whole year group to be collected or dropped off to be honest.

@Eminybob

I think the country can afford to keep children off school as a fairly small portion of workers have primary school age children.

That may be the case, but as it has been said that the schools will be the last thing to be shut next time, by the time they have then we will have all our non essential retail, hospitality and leisure employees out of work again.
It’s so damaging to the economy and mental health, and that is going to cause more deaths than the virus.

Although I hope school stay open , we don't know that schools will be the last thing to be shut next time. Who knows what they'll do and in what order. I don't think that shutting schools is more damaging to the economy than putting non-essential retail, hospitality and other employees out of work again. With regard to mental health, I think many schoolchildren were much happier with schools closed, especially those at secondary school so the argument that schools could be kept open for children's mental health doesn't hold much water.

Individual schools will close for short periods because of local spikes. Or individual bubbles. I don't think there will be a general closure again. (I hope not, at any rate. My DDs need to get back into the routine of being in school.)

MrP what study / studies are you basing that on? Re happier in lockdown

MrP what study / studies are you basing that on? Re happier in lockdown

I didn't say "happier in lockdown". I said, many children were happier with schools closed, particularly those at secondary school. My DD doesn't mind school but she was perfectly happy having a few months off and just seeing her friends in the park etc. I certainly would have loved it as well as a teenager. Believe it or not, not everyone loves school, and not all suffering poor mental health because they didn't have to go in each day. Some experience better mental health without the pressures of school.

MrP Oh right I thought you had read a study on it. Yes I’m sure some teens enjoyed no school.

Mine is very happy to be back tg. Saw friends in latter part of lockdown which helped but much prefers in school learning.

Nope.
Apparently the death rates were do high due to how they counted...

I work in school. I HOPE we won’t have to shut again but I think we will. There is no social distancing. No masks. Not even for the front desk. All staff crammed into the staff room for a meeting at the end of school today. Actually touching in some cases. No money for more soap or sanitiser when it runs out. Reduced cleaners due to budget cuts. It’s just a matter of time........

@BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou

I work in school. I HOPE we won’t have to shut again but I think we will. There is no social distancing. No masks. Not even for the front desk. All staff crammed into the staff room for a meeting at the end of school today. Actually touching in some cases. No money for more soap or sanitiser when it runs out. Reduced cleaners due to budget cuts. It’s just a matter of time........

That sounds very poorly managed. Staff shouldn't be crammed into a staff room.

With regard to mental health, I think many schoolchildren were much happier with schools closed, especially those at secondary school so the argument that schools could be kept open for children's mental health doesn't hold much water.

Of course some children are happier out of school - I hated school as a child - but the long term effects of a big gap in education may end up being more far reaching.
But what I meant by mental health is adult mental health. Loss of income resulting in debt, depression, alcohol abuse etc etc.

My point is that unless we continue to get things back to as normal as possible, the effects of Covid are going to be far worse and far reaching than the deaths from the actual virus.

www.standard.co.uk/news/education/coronavirus-schools-reopening-uk-outbreaks-cases-latest-a4541651.html

Five schools shut down and hundreds of pupils self-isolating after coronavirus outbreaks

There have been a series of coronavirus outbreaks that have disrupted the start of term for schools

My point is that unless we continue to get things back to as normal as possible, the effects of Covid are going to be far worse and far reaching than the deaths from the actual virus.

Would it be an option - in your opinion - to go back to as close as normal as possible WITH mandatory masks, physical distancing and other very easy, logical actions?

Or normal means literally as things were pre-2020?

(not arguing, but really want to understand which one you mean)

@TheSunIsStillShining

My point is that unless we continue to get things back to as normal as possible, the effects of Covid are going to be far worse and far reaching than the deaths from the actual virus.

Would it be an option - in your opinion - to go back to as close as normal as possible WITH mandatory masks, physical distancing and other very easy, logical actions?

Or normal means literally as things were pre-2020?

(not arguing, but really want to understand which one you mean)

Yes, I mean with masks and social distancing. But even they can’t continue forever.

No

Nope, I think elderly and vulnerable will be asked to shield again, in essence accepting a rise in cases but hopefully avoiding the serious cases. Secondaries may move to mix of home and school learning. Primaries will stay open except short closures in local siruations. Children must not be denied an education.

@Scottishgirl85

Nope, I think elderly and vulnerable will be asked to shield again, in essence accepting a rise in cases but hopefully avoiding the serious cases. Secondaries may move to mix of home and school learning. Primaries will stay open except short closures in local siruations. Children must not be denied an education.

It's difficult to shield if you have a school age child though.

We've been back 3 days. One teacher has already tested positive. She has taught multiple classes. One more positive test in any of those and it's 2 weeks isolation.

Already happening for a few weeks in 3 schools in this city

In Sheffield - that I am currently aware of (may be more but don't know) 4 schools have positive case(s), 6 year groups now at home - 2 sixth form, 3 secondary, 1 primary.

CokeEnStock - has the school sent any home yet? The above schools ave sent year group bubbles home in all, as a result of one confirmed positive.

No.

I think lots of “bubbles” will close and some schools will obviously close - those numbers will go up I imagine.

I don’t think all schools will close again. I fucking hope not anyway.