To ask if you find Cardi B WAP offensive or liberating?

[Louise000000]

Just that really, I'm undecided. I think it depends on what mood I'm in.
On one hand she's only using language that male rappers have been using for decades and it is liberating that a woman can express herself in an obviously sexual way and why not?
On the other some of the lyrics are absolutely mad
'swipe your nose like a credit card'
'touch that little dangly thing that swings at the back on my throat' 😂

What do you think?

Cant see anything liberating about it, unless girls and women really want sex to like this. To me it sounds like the addicted to porn male version of sex. I am surprised they are playing it on mainstream radio?

Neither really, I don’t need pop stars to feel liberated lol. There’s much better rap/hip hop out there - I do really like Cardi and Megan - but I guess I wanted more from it in a way? I don’t know what though

I find the lyrics vile. Young teenage girls find thus empowering apparently. That makes me so sad.

@Ablackrussian

It's a bit like a POC supporting the BNP to exercise their freedom of choice.

But freedom of choice isn't always about doing things that will benefit you in a positive way. It's the fact that you are given that choice. And while I completely agree that a poc (myself, for example) wouldn't support such racism; it really is up to that individual to decide (not us) whether or not they would find such actions, liberating. Along the lines of, "If you can't beat them, join them" or "..keep your enemies closer", perhaps?

Exactly my point.

@Flapjak

Cant see anything liberating about it, unless girls and women really want sex to like this. To me it sounds like the addicted to porn male version of sex. I am surprised they are playing it on mainstream radio?

The song is about getting eaten out mostly/being super wet/squinting. Of course some women want sex to be like this 😂😎 and others don't know what they are missing.

It's repulsive. It's not something I'd ever choose to listen to anyway though.

I don't see how it can possibly be liberating.

It kind of screams 'look at me trying to be controversial'

Blegh.

I said, certified freak
Seven days a week

Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet ass pussy
Give me everything you got for this wet ass pussy

Put this pussy right in your face

This pussy is wet, come take a dive

Make it cream, make me scream
Out in public, make a scene
I don't cook, I don't clean
But let me tell you how I got this ring (ayy, ayy)
Gobble me, swallow me

I tell him where to put it, never tell him where I'm 'bout to be
I run down on him 'fore I have a nigga running me

You really ain't never gotta fuck him for a thang
He already made his mind up 'fore he came

He got a beard, well, I'm tryna wet it
I let him taste it, now he diabetic

Put him on his knees, give him something to believe in
Never lost a fight, but I'm lookin for a beating
In the food chain, I'm the one that eat ya
If he ate my ass, he's a bottom feeder
Big D stand for big demeanor
I could make you bust before I ever meet ya
If it don't hang, then he can't bang
You can't hurt my feelings, but I like pain

Give me everything you got for this wet ass pussy

Now get a bucket and a mop

I’ve never bought into the ‘women flaunting their sexuality is sooo liberating and right on’ thing. I don’t think men and women are the same (aside from the obvious) and just like every single other mammal on the planet, we behave differently because of our biology, not just because of human social conditioning.

If women behave like sexual objects then all it does is reinforce to men that’s what we are. Yes women have the right to do as they please which is great. But having equality in law and being treated as respected equals by men is quite something else.

And I’ll add, those comparing male rappers to this video; when have you ever seen male rappers in tiny hot pants, rubbing their nips, covered in oil, bending over etc etc? It’s always women in their videos doing that, surrounding a fully clothed bloke.

The only way this would be comparable is if a singular woman had loads of subservient half clothed men fawning all over her.

In both the male snd female rapper cases, the women are the sexual objects.

This doesn’t look or feel like progress to me anyway.

Along the lines of, "If you can't beat them, join them" or "..keep your enemies closer", perhaps?

So turn yourself into an object and pretend it's empowering, because men will do it either way so you may as well be in control? All that's happening is women who treat themselves this way are making it easier for men to do it, and perpetuating this culture of treating women like a collection of orifices to buy and sell. I would think it's more empowering to be the exact opposite to what men think you are.

I found myself getting all outraged about it, the remembered dancing and singing along to You Suck by L7 in my clubbing days.

That seemed a bit more feminist though...

Oops, it was Consolidated, not L7.

Neither

I think some get so worked up over it they miss the humour In it

Neither, I think it's pretty cringe.

sugar989 I agree with you. I'm black btw. The poster you quoted appears to be demanding black people prove their skin colour on this thread but is automatically believing people with white skin which is strange. Biffy Clyro weren't doing anything out of malice or racism. It was just for fun. Not everything is that serious all the time.

I've come across many many white people being outraged on black people's behalf and it annoys me because it makes black people look stupid like we can't have a laugh and a joke like everyone else!

Neither, it’s just a song. Crass, sexual song lyrics sung by men have existed for a long time. I wouldn’t say it is “nice” to hear women sing them but it certainly does make a change.

She is one big hypocrite.
She stays with a husband who continues to cheat on her. Then she gave him $500 000 for his birthday last year.
So I don’t think that WAP is working out that well for her.

I'm conflicted. Threads like this wouldn't happen if it was a song by a man. I think that this song opens up 'some' women's feelings towards sex.

Whilst I don't have the muscle capacity to recreated the tik took dance, I feel proud of those who are happy to publish their sexuality.

I think we (if you are) as women, have been sometimes unknowingly 'shut up'. Sometimes, any reference to giving good sex or giving good oral sex is seen as anti-feminist.

I think we're stuck in a rut.

Actually, thinking about it now that I've written it down, I'm all for it.

Why shouldn't we be proud of our WAP's? Why shouldn't we be proud of wanting and being able to deep throat?

Why should we stay silent when men can be loud?

Having had a Covid test this weekend I've decided that the WAP song is actually about that - making me gag, making me choke and touching the dangly thing in the back of my throat - definitely the Covid test

That aside, I know Cardi B Is currently unable to keep her husband to herself. No fault of her own. I also know that Megan Thee Stallion was shot in the foot by her boyfriend, Tory Lanez, just a few weeks ago.

So whilst I know this song is nothing other than a money maker for the troubled women that made it, it's definitely a song for other women who want and need to be proud of their sexuality.

I find it neither. I just find it dull.

It's nothing new.

@EDSGFC 🤣

Having had a Covid test this weekend I've decided that the WAP song is actually about that - making me gag, making me choke and touching the dangly thing in the back of my throat - definitely the Covid test 😂 Brilliant.

Never heard it, have zero desire to hear it.

Whenever the brain is presented with a reality so unpleasant that it finds it difficult to comprehend it tends to turn towards rationalization in order to make sense of that which it's observing. 'There simply MUST be a good enough reason for something like this to exist'. What's unsaid is that if there isn't then that'd be the sort of reality that is almost impossible to accept. This is often seen happening in victims in abusive relationships.

Whenever I see this song discussed in anything like positive terms I often think of this phenomenon. 'There simply MUST be a good enough reason for something like this to exist'.
There isn't.

Bad taste. Zero class. The only thing that it'll liberate anyone of is those two things.

She could have lead, she chose to follow.
But then again maybe not. She's giving Offset chance after chance so it fits the mentality perfectly.