To think hate speach against mums on Instagram / YouTube should be make a crime

[Bekindnotabully]

With social media it's allowed amazing ways to communicate with people. But it's also allowed trolling and harrasment to happen at unprecedented scale.

Sites like tattle life and increasing Mumsnet allow people to troll women that make their living out of social media and the current rules in place don't allow the police to identify and bring to justice the trolls. You can pretty much say what you like including bullying someone over their appearance and their parenting with zero repreciousons. It's not on and needs to change.

I could go on but aibu to think these rules need to change? People are taking their own lives and the government did not approve my petition to afford people on social media greater human rights protection.

The main issues on the Susie threads are the poor service delivery, ie charging £150 for a bespoke style analysis which turns out to be not even a cut and paste job but just a standard document. That’s basically fraud.

TBH, I presume you’re Suzie who I’ve only heard of through recent Mumsnet threads which means MN is basically an advertising vehicle for you. Thinking that those threads were ‘hate speech’ suggests that you live a privileged straight, white, able bodied middle class life and have never needed to understand what hate speech is. Using it in this context only undermines the hard fought protections which minority groups have.

Where people's income depends upon views, being discussed on other forums, whether they like the content or not, will result in other people potentially going to their channels and looking.

Doesn't matter if 10,000 are clicking on a vlog to laugh at it or to have a discussion somewhere else - 10,000 extra views are going to translate into 10,000 extra views' worth of revenue and 10,000 extra views worth of businesses considering who to shower #gifted and #AD opportunities upon.

The saying that the worst thing of all is not being talked about is definitely true for these people. Because talking indicates interest. And interest means money.

Be careful what you wish for OP. It’s a slippery slope to censorship. Maybe you like Suzie so you find the critical comments mean. But other people clearly don’t like her and it’s their prerogative to discuss her. One day you might want to discuss someone you don’t like. How would you like it if the law prevented you from doing that?

No one has a universal right to be liked. Yes I can imagine it’s upsetting to find you have a thread with people criticising your business or pictures or appearance but it’s not illegal nor should it be.

If someone is being targetted with malicious communication directly, stalking, harassment or subject to libellous comments then the law covers that already. All the influencer needs to do is collect the evidence and ask the police to investigate. I believe an influencer in Ireland has just done this.

This is really affecting her mental health.

My friends son started dabbling with being an instagram influencer. He got some vicious messages and comments, his mental health suffered so he decided to Jack it in and get a job out of the spotlight.

There is nothing stopping these women from doing the same except maybe the multimillion £ deals they have for being vacuous nonentities

Wow, I’ve never heard of tattle life and I’ve just had a peruse of some influencers I do know and it’s so interesting! Of the threads I looked it I couldn’t see anything being bullying or threatening. It was mainly people complaining about children being exploited for ads or concerns for their MH. Hardly trolling?

If you choose to be “famous” you have to accept that people will dislike you and say horrible things about you, that is not bullying or trolling. What about all the poor celebs Perez Hilton used to bitch about? What about all the tabloids? Why weren’t the paps and news outlets hounding and harassing Britney before her breakdown put in jail? I think the media is far worse, I assume Suzie isn’t famous enough to be in actual media.

People are allowed opinions, sending people direct threats is another matter entirely

There is a very simple solution.

No social media accounts being allowed to parade children all day every day...
Only thing allowed would be ads done by a professional agency which would have someone trained in kid's welfare.
No potty videos, videos of kids eating their breakfast etc. No live videos of kids crying...

There.

I don’t think it should be classed as hate crime. If you choose to be an insta mini celeb and make a few quid from it, fine! You have the option not to read things like tattle, delete hurtful comments or turn them off completely and block people. You have that control and I think that’s enough.

I have looked on tattle before and it is either general gossiping or a few groups of people that seem to dedicate their lives to somehow exposing and hating some random person on the internet. Its probably a bit of jealousy mixed with liking the feeling of being self righteous but they are super invested! Some of them are hilarious, they don’t seem to recognise that they are just generating more interest in that person while trying to achieve the opposite, they create multiple fake accounts and give their most hated instagrammer (is that a word?!) even more followers!

I also don’t care about their kids being in the public eye. Kids have been in movies, adverts, celebrities children are plastered all over magazines, people stick pictures of their kids all over Facebook and whatever other social media for years and years, it’s not going to change. Some people are making cash from the exposure of their lives other give it away for free. People should be more cautious with their kids image online full stop, but other people’s choices are really not my problem.

I think anyone who goes on tattle is the lowest of the low. I’ve looked at some of the Hinch threads, they are just appalling in what they say and the obsessive hate towards her.

I don't know who Susie is but I bet the OP is Susie .

All these people clutching their pearls at Tattle 🤣

I don't think anyone who uses MN can claim the moral high ground. Posters on here regularly get ripped a new arsehole for the most innocuous stuff, often when their mental health is at a low ebb. MN hasn't been dubbed a 'nest of vipers' for nothing.

I'd sooner see some privacy laws brought in to protect children from parents, who deem it reasonable to parade their kids all over the internet and document everything publicly - from their first shit to their last day at school.*

This.

@KurtansCurtains Mumsnet really is not that different to tattle all, probably a lot of the same groups of people. I've only rejoined recently, used to be a member many years ago but I'm knocked up again so here I am! I was kinda surprised at some of the stuff that's posted, people can be so hateful and I can't really figure out why. I'm just glad I'm not one of them.

"This is really affecting her mental health."

My friends son started dabbling with being an instagram influencer. He got some vicious messages and comments, his mental health suffered so he decided to Jack it in and get a job out of the spotlight

Well, exactly.

From the published news stories, Suzie's mental health doesn't seem to have been in the best shape in the first place so why anyone with self-esteem issues would deliberately open themselves to this kind of public scrutiny is beyond me.

I've no clue who this Susie is but she chooses a career in the spotlight so can't get arsey when people talk about her.

You mention that she's a mum- if her child is part of her gimmick then shame on her. Kids can't consent to having their life broadcast to all and sundry.

If Susie feels shit reading the comments imagine what the child(ren) will feel. There should be a law against parents who use their kids to make money in this way. I have no problem with adults making money online but the kids can not make that decision

The police can't cope with stabbings and burglaries. They can't (and shouldn't ) be chasing online trolls unless someone's life is at threat. Nobody likes everyone and everything online. If you are broadcasting yourself the best you can do is hope that people who like you outnumber the haters.

It’s everywhere, mumsnet, tattle, Reddit, Facebook groups. I have seen posters under the cloak of anonymity write things that make me feel sick to my stomach.

Horrible people will find other horrible people and they roam free picking on others on the internet.

Some will even have the cheek to come on threads like this while doing it elsewhere. We need to challenge the behaviour when we see it instead of turning a blind eye.
People should be able to do vacuous mummy blogs and not get sent abuse, it’s hardly their fault, it’s those who are bored enough to while their lives away on Internet forums being poisonous who are.

@FlySheMust

If you set yourself up as some kind of expert in an utterly trivial and pointless field you can expect to be criticised.

I'm inclined to agree with you.

There are some pretty vicious swipes levelled on Tattle, but also on here, too. Also Tattlers often have genuine criticisms which they have every right to air. Trolling should be stopped when encountered against any and everyone, but I don't think anyone should be immune to fair if sometimes harsh criticism- why should having a child of all things make you exempt from being called out for being a scam artist or having shit customer service or ridiculous product pricing or poor quality?

Also as we've seen in the last year, plenty of insta-mums rip each other to shreds and incite their followers to do similar - and that's only scratching the surface. They'd all LOVE to be exempt from that sort of nastiness... until they can't use it to their own advantage either.

Also MNers themselves get pretty vicious- AIBU would be very boring...

I don't think these influencers need protecting from the likes of Tattle etc - their queen bee Clemmie Hooper (Mother of Daughters) was outed last year for trolling her fellow influencers on Tattle under a false name - they do not need your sympathy or protection OP.

I've just Googled this person and see that she's a stylist. Well that's automatically going to split opinion isn't it? There's no such thing as a woman who everybody considers stylish and if she's selling substandard service or threatens people not to leave negative feedback then people have every right to complain. I've never purchased anything from her so no clue how accurate those moans are btw

The ones who need protection - and maybe a bit of sympathy from @Bekindnotabully - are the children whose lives are being monetised without their consent by their parents.

Some will even have the cheek to come on threads like this while doing it elsewhere. We need to challenge the behaviour when we see it instead of turning a blind eye
People should be able to do vacuous mummy blogs and not get sent abuse, it’s hardly their fault, it’s those who are bored enough to while their lives away on Internet forums being poisonous who are

I'm not defending Tattle but anyone who is just 'doing a vacuous mummy blog' isn't usually allowed a thread. It's the big influencers, the ones who've sold their kids privacy and right to anonymity for 'gifted' shit who people are criticising. If you'd read this thread, you'd see that that is what people are talking about. Also the ones who are shadily advertising crap under the guise of 'OMG, GUYS!! I've just found this amazing product!!' and not declaring that they've been given it for free in return for publicity.

And as others have pointed out, if you're going to sell your personal life as a business, you have to be prepared for people to criticise it. Not everyone will be happy with what you're selling and if you can't separate your personality from your business, your paying customers won't be able to, either.

No one gives a shit about Sandra from the school run starting a blog unless she's plastering her kids faces all over the Internet in the hope of getting a sponsorship deal.

Oh for fuck's sake...Susie has brought this on herself.

She consistently shut down polite, reasonable feedback from hundreds of clients. She censored her facebook group under the guise of promoting women (we all know it was to micromanage content and, more importantly, silence client feedback). This has now bitten her in the arse.

Zero sympathy.

@KurtansCurtains fair enough and having just had a look I didn’t see any obvious bullying, maybe a few obsessive types but nothing worse than I have seen here or elsewhere on the internet.